What a difference three years makes
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Damn, I'm good. Or maybe just consistent.
In 2021 I wrote, I just think you're operating from an erroneous hypothesis. The rural white person over 60 down here is usually vaccinated. Guys 50 and under, not as much, but that's in line with most demographics.
I'm not sure there is a there, there.
And in essence, that's where I'm still at. When it comes to COVID vaccine efficacy and risk tolerance, I think people are at the same place. Younger people (less than 50) are not taking it, unless there is an overriding medical reason. Most older folks aren't taking it, unless they are in truly poor health.
They've made a logical decision based on what they judge to be worthy.
As for RFK's views and vaccine resistance bleed-over, I don't think it's going to happen on a large scale. Couple of reasons...
- RFK is not anti-vaccine for all vaccines, particularly childhood vaccines. 15-20 years back, yes. Today, no.
- Most people are smart enough to take vaccines or have their children take vaccines they think will prevent illness. Especially classic vaccines such as polio or measles.I
I simply do not see this being as big a deal as the mice think it is.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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In the summer of 2021 I pondered the question as to whether Covid vaccine hesitancy among maga-types would metastasize to other vaccines and to public health more generally. It went over like a fart in church.
https://nodebb.the-new-coffee-room.club/post/111804
The whole thread is interesting to read. Posters making fun of anti-vaxxers who today would stay quiet and look at their shoes, if not justify it outright.
@jon-nyc said in What a difference three years makes:
In the summer of 2021 I pondered the question as to whether Covid vaccine hesitancy among maga-types would metastasize to other vaccines and to public health more generally. It went over like a fart in church.
https://nodebb.the-new-coffee-room.club/post/111804
The whole thread is interesting to read. Posters making fun of anti-vaxxers who today would stay quiet and look at their shoes, if not justify it outright.
However you're reading that prior conversation, and the conclusions you're drawing from it, are difficult to guess unless you use your words and articulate it. I get you're claiming some form of victory, but it would be nice to hear you explain that victory for those of us who don't think and feel like you do about all things Trump-related.
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Well obviously RFK Jr’s selection as Trump’s Health Secretary nominee answered my original question about as strongly in the affirmative as one could imagine.
But the real point of the thread and the title is in reference to the last two sentences in my post.
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Well obviously RFK Jr’s selection as Trump’s Health Secretary nominee answered my original question about as strongly in the affirmative as one could imagine.
But the real point of the thread and the title is in reference to the last two sentences in my post.
@jon-nyc said in What a difference three years makes:
Well obviously RFK Jr’s selection as Trump’s Health Secretary nominee answered my original question about as strongly in the affirmative as one could imagine.
But the real point of the thread and the title is in reference to the last two sentences in my post.
Your real point remains a mystery. You gestured towards posters who had an attitude then that they no longer have, but I sure don't know what you're talking about, skimming the thread. Maybe you should name the poster(s), assuming they're still around, and give them a chance to discuss it with you.
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Damn, I'm good. Or maybe just consistent.
In 2021 I wrote, I just think you're operating from an erroneous hypothesis. The rural white person over 60 down here is usually vaccinated. Guys 50 and under, not as much, but that's in line with most demographics.
I'm not sure there is a there, there.
And in essence, that's where I'm still at. When it comes to COVID vaccine efficacy and risk tolerance, I think people are at the same place. Younger people (less than 50) are not taking it, unless there is an overriding medical reason. Most older folks aren't taking it, unless they are in truly poor health.
They've made a logical decision based on what they judge to be worthy.
As for RFK's views and vaccine resistance bleed-over, I don't think it's going to happen on a large scale. Couple of reasons...
- RFK is not anti-vaccine for all vaccines, particularly childhood vaccines. 15-20 years back, yes. Today, no.
- Most people are smart enough to take vaccines or have their children take vaccines they think will prevent illness. Especially classic vaccines such as polio or measles.I
I simply do not see this being as big a deal as the mice think it is.
I think his most recent comment is something like ‘I’m not anti-vax, I’m just against all the existing vaccines.’
That is anti-vaxx by any reasonable definition. He puts lipstick on the pig sometimes but with friendly audiences it comes off and he’ll describe how he approaches strangers with babies and implores them not to vaccinate their kids.
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I think his most recent comment is something like ‘I’m not anti-vax, I’m just against all the existing vaccines.’
That is anti-vaxx by any reasonable definition. He puts lipstick on the pig sometimes but with friendly audiences it comes off and he’ll describe how he approaches strangers with babies and implores them not to vaccinate their kids.
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Could somebody please link me to an RFK policy position on vaccines?
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This is a decent start. It’s his organization. They changed the name from ‘World Mercury Project’ to something a little more general sounding.
But read the exec staff bios and it’s clear what animates them.
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His CEO’s bio is a perfect example of getting the point across without engaging in defamation. Behold:
As Chief Executive Officer of Children’s Health Defense, Mary Holland has been involved in the vaccine choice and health freedom movement for more than two decades. “Once I learned about the extreme liability protection that industry and healthcare providers enjoy and the suppression of accurate science and information about vaccine risk and injury, I understood the need for immediate, radical systemic change. I’ve been devoted to that change ever since.”
Like CHD, Holland seeks to end the epidemic of chronic childhood diseases, hold those responsible accountable, and create safeguards so that these epidemics never happen again. Through its education, advocacy, litigation and research, CHD challenges federal and state governments, pharmaceutical companies, corporations and corrupt regulatory agencies to end the practices that are harming children’s health. In the age of COVID, CHD’s mission to protect health, especially infants’ and children’s health, has never been more important.
They don’t come right out and say that the vaccines cause chronic illness in kids. But their point isn’t lost on the reader.
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So, we're not quite sure what his position is?
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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Measles vaccine is “a holocaust”.
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/rfk-jrs-vaccines-holocaust-insanity-wesley-j-smith/
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@Jolly said in What a difference three years makes:
So, we're not quite sure what his position is?
I bet you’ll ultimately be happy when he’s not confirmed because part of you, maybe subconsciously, must resent the fact that Trump has made you feel the need to sane-wash RFK Jr.
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babies get "dozens and dozens of vaccines"??
@taiwan_girl said in What a difference three years makes:
babies get "dozens and dozens of vaccines"??
Birth to 6 Years Old
1. Hepatitis B (HepB)
• Protects against hepatitis B.
• Given at birth, 1–2 months, and 6–18 months.
2. Rotavirus (RV)
• Protects against severe diarrhea.
• Two or three doses depending on the vaccine type, given at 2 months and 4 months (and 6 months if needed).
3. Diphtheria, Tetanus, and Pertussis (DTaP)
• Protects against diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis (whooping cough).
• Five doses given at 2 months, 4 months, 6 months, 15–18 months, and 4–6 years.
4. Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib)
• Protects against bacterial infections such as meningitis.
• Given at 2 months, 4 months, (6 months if required), and 12–15 months.
5. Pneumococcal Conjugate (PCV13)
• Protects against pneumococcal infections like pneumonia and meningitis.
• Given at 2 months, 4 months, 6 months, and 12–15 months.
6. Polio (IPV)
• Protects against poliomyelitis.
• Given at 2 months, 4 months, 6–18 months, and 4–6 years.
7. Influenza (Flu)
• Protects against seasonal flu.
• Annual vaccine starting at 6 months.
8. Measles, Mumps, Rubella (MMR)
• Protects against measles, mumps, and rubella.
• Given at 12–15 months and 4–6 years.
9. Varicella (Chickenpox)
• Protects against chickenpox.
• Given at 12–15 months and 4–6 years.
10. Hepatitis A (HepA)
• Protects against hepatitis A.
• Two doses given between 12–23 months, spaced at least 6 months apart.
7 to 18 Years Old
1. Tetanus, Diphtheria, and Pertussis (Tdap)
• Booster given at 11–12 years.
2. Human Papillomavirus (HPV)
• Protects against cancers caused by HPV.
• Two or three doses starting at 11–12 years.
3. Meningococcal (MenACWY)
• Protects against meningococcal diseases like meningitis.
• Given at 11–12 years and a booster at 16 years.
• Meningococcal B (MenB) is also available for certain teens, typically at 16–18 years.
4. Influenza (Flu)
• Annual vaccine. -
@taiwan_girl said in What a difference three years makes:
babies get "dozens and dozens of vaccines"??
Birth to 6 Years Old
1. Hepatitis B (HepB)
• Protects against hepatitis B.
• Given at birth, 1–2 months, and 6–18 months.
2. Rotavirus (RV)
• Protects against severe diarrhea.
• Two or three doses depending on the vaccine type, given at 2 months and 4 months (and 6 months if needed).
3. Diphtheria, Tetanus, and Pertussis (DTaP)
• Protects against diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis (whooping cough).
• Five doses given at 2 months, 4 months, 6 months, 15–18 months, and 4–6 years.
4. Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib)
• Protects against bacterial infections such as meningitis.
• Given at 2 months, 4 months, (6 months if required), and 12–15 months.
5. Pneumococcal Conjugate (PCV13)
• Protects against pneumococcal infections like pneumonia and meningitis.
• Given at 2 months, 4 months, 6 months, and 12–15 months.
6. Polio (IPV)
• Protects against poliomyelitis.
• Given at 2 months, 4 months, 6–18 months, and 4–6 years.
7. Influenza (Flu)
• Protects against seasonal flu.
• Annual vaccine starting at 6 months.
8. Measles, Mumps, Rubella (MMR)
• Protects against measles, mumps, and rubella.
• Given at 12–15 months and 4–6 years.
9. Varicella (Chickenpox)
• Protects against chickenpox.
• Given at 12–15 months and 4–6 years.
10. Hepatitis A (HepA)
• Protects against hepatitis A.
• Two doses given between 12–23 months, spaced at least 6 months apart.
7 to 18 Years Old
1. Tetanus, Diphtheria, and Pertussis (Tdap)
• Booster given at 11–12 years.
2. Human Papillomavirus (HPV)
• Protects against cancers caused by HPV.
• Two or three doses starting at 11–12 years.
3. Meningococcal (MenACWY)
• Protects against meningococcal diseases like meningitis.
• Given at 11–12 years and a booster at 16 years.
• Meningococcal B (MenB) is also available for certain teens, typically at 16–18 years.
4. Influenza (Flu)
• Annual vaccine.
