"How do we deal with these people?"

[George K]

[Jolly]

The Catholic light ought to take his own advice.

[LuFins Dad]

@Jolly said in "How do we deal with these people?":

The Catholic light ought to take his own advice.

Please don’t insult Catholics.

[Horace]

Obviously, some actual cognitive empathy is totally off the table. Ah, humanity.

[Jolly]

Where do they find these jerks?

I've never been in a Christian church that beat people over the head about their political beliefs, with the exception of abortion.

[Horace]

Not sure how uncommon it is.

https://wtf.coffee-room.com/topic/815/what-do-i-do-with-this/41

Right side of history, check. Terrified, check. A cultural conservative running their programming in the face of change, check.

But in this case, the "terror" is not honest, and the pastor in question is absolutely giddy to be living through this moment. He will confirm and amplify anybody's hysterical reaction, while pretending to comfort them through it.

[Tom-K]

@Jolly said in "How do we deal with these people?":

Where do they find these jerks?

I've never been in a Christian church that beat people over the head about their political beliefs, with the exception of abortion.

I have NEVER heard a discussion of politics in a Catholic church. Abortion yes, on occasion but never as a political issue only as a moral choice. BTW, that jackass isn't Catholic--he's an Episcopalian bishop.

[Aqua Letifer]

@Tom-K said in "How do we deal with these people?":

@Jolly said in "How do we deal with these people?":

Where do they find these jerks?

I've never been in a Christian church that beat people over the head about their political beliefs, with the exception of abortion.

I have NEVER heard a discussion of politics in a Catholic church.

My uncle's a Monsignor. He's been in parishes all around the Washington archdiocese. When my folks would come into town, they'd come in and attend mass and see my uncle there.

My parents are lefties. They go in for presidential bumper stickers. So, Obama, Biden and the like.

Catholics don't talk about politics in mass, but I'll tell you, they have no problem leaving nasty messages on people's windshields in the church parking lot.

As a matter of fact it seems there are plenty of Catholics who think being Catholic means hating abortion, condemning sex before marriage and consider unwedded adults losers up until they get married and have kids. Those seem to be the priorities.

[Tom-K]

@Aqua-Letifer said in "How do we deal with these people?":

Catholics don't talk about politics in mass, but I'll tell you, they have no problem leaving nasty messages on people's windshields in the church parking lot.

As a matter of fact it seems there are plenty of Catholics who think being Catholic means hating abortion, condemning sex before marriage and consider unwedded adults losers up until they get married and have kids. Those seem to be the priorities.

There are plenty of crazy Catholics (on the right and on the left [you should visit my parish in NYC--St. Paul the Apostle if you want to see left crazy]) just like there are plenty of other crazy people out there but the Church itself doesn't get into the politics business.

[Aqua Letifer]

@Tom-K said in "How do we deal with these people?":

@Aqua-Letifer said in "How do we deal with these people?":

Catholics don't talk about politics in mass, but I'll tell you, they have no problem leaving nasty messages on people's windshields in the church parking lot.

As a matter of fact it seems there are plenty of Catholics who think being Catholic means hating abortion, condemning sex before marriage and consider unwedded adults losers up until they get married and have kids. Those seem to be the priorities.

There are plenty of crazy Catholics (on the right and on the left [you should visit my parish in NYC--St. Paul the Apostle if you want to see left crazy]) just like there are plenty of other crazy people out there but the Church itself doesn't get into the politics business.

Yeah, I do acknowledge the separation. But I find both tend to have a very narrow focus, and it wasn't always that way.

If we're going to talk about the Church, I don't think they're doing the best job advocating for their relevancy. And I think both the Church and the public would greatly benefit if they spoke more to that, as they used to.

[Tom-K]

I completely agree with that. But the Catholic Church has shot itself in the foot, grievously, with it's priest sex issues and is playing catchup and it will take quite a while--a long while, before it can be a completely authoritative moral voice again.

[Horace]

It'll never be an authoritative moral voice again, but it is less uncool these days than it was 20 years ago. Sneering at religion is more of a signal these days that one is an educated white mainstream elite (i.e. a cultural conservative). Religion is a little bit edgy and cool from that perspective. Specifically, Christianity.

[Jolly]

@Tom-K said in "How do we deal with these people?":

I completely agree with that. But the Catholic Church has shot itself in the foot, grievously, with it's priest sex issues and is playing catchup and it will take quite a while--a long while, before it can be a completely authoritative moral voice again.

Turn back the clock and let them marry. You'll still have some guys that will sin mightily (we all do), but it might cut down on the pedophiles.

[Renauda]

@Horace

Sneering at religion is more of a signal these days that one is an educated white mainstream elite (i.e. a cultural conservative). Religion is a little bit edgy and cool from that perspective. Specifically, Christianity.

Educated white liberals started sneering at organised religion around the time of the American Revolution if not a bit earlier. It was then that the “cultural conservatives who, for the most part also well educated, defended organized religion.

I do not believe for a second that what you are saying is anything new. The lines and demographics may have shuffled and shifted around, but the sneering duality has been a characteristic of Western society since the Descartes.

[Horace]

@Renauda said in "How do we deal with these people?":

@Horace

Sneering at religion is more of a signal these days that one is an educated white mainstream elite (i.e. a cultural conservative). Religion is a little bit edgy and cool from that perspective. Specifically, Christianity.

Educated white liberals started sneering at organised religion around the time of the American Revolution if not a bit earlier. It was then that the “cultural conservatives who, for the most part also well educated, defended organized religion.

I do not believe for a second that what you are saying is anything new. The lines and demographics may have shuffled and shifted around, but the sneering duality has been a characteristic of Western society since the Descartes.

I'm mostly trying to find framings that are not new. Cultural conservatives will behave a certain way, will have certain psychological characteristics, etc. The religion thing is only new in that for the first time in my life, religion is seen as a feature of the counter-culture.

[Renauda]

The religion thing is only new in that for the first time in my life, religion is seen as a feature of the counter-culture.

I don’t see that at all here. Ever since I can remember there were some families that went to church, a few others attended church on occasion and, still others never went to church other than to other people’s weddings and funerals. Never seemed to be much of an issue. Still isn’t as far as I can tell.

[Horace]

Respect for Christianity is a common theme in popular media that targets young men. Very common everywhere in the Rogan orbit, for instance.

[Renauda]

…common theme in popular media that targets young men.

Well that explains why I am unawakened to the phenomenon.

BTW, what is popular media? Anything like what we ancients used to refer to as the slick press?

[Horace]

@Renauda said in "How do we deal with these people?":

…common theme in popular media that targets young men.

Well that explains why I am unawakened to the phenomenon.

BTW, what is popular media? Anything like what we ancients used to refer to as the slick press?

Podcasts, youtube channels.

[Renauda]

Clearly not slick press as I understand the term. Still, I too watch presentations on both mentioned media forms but on topics and issues tending toward the arcane humanistic fine arts and political/military historical rather than the current angst ridden progressive zeitgeist kulture - a subject that frankly bores me to no end.