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Puzzle Time - polynomials

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    jon-nyc
    wrote on 11 Nov 2024, 13:50 last edited by
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    Find natural numbers x, y, z such that

    x/(y+z) + y/(x+z) + z/(x+y) = 4 .

    Only non-witches get due process.

    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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      Klaus
      wrote on 11 Nov 2024, 16:49 last edited by Klaus 11 Nov 2024, 17:21
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      35,132,627 seems to be close. I didn't think of course.

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      Edit: OK, that's not the solution. It's only close.

      There are no solutions in the range 1 to 10,000, even though 411 812 4601 is really close!

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        jon-nyc
        wrote on 11 Nov 2024, 17:28 last edited by jon-nyc 11 Nov 2024, 17:29
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        This puzzle is me being a dick. The smallest number in the smallest solution has more than 80 digits. Which is pretty amazing if you think about it.

        Only non-witches get due process.

        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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          jon-nyc
          wrote on 11 Nov 2024, 17:34 last edited by
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          Wolfram Alpha quickly returns ‘Standard computation time exceeded’ and asks me to upgrade.

          Only non-witches get due process.

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            Horace
            wrote on 11 Nov 2024, 18:19 last edited by
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            I've discovered a remarkable way to calculate this, but this forum software is inadequate to express the required mathematical notation.

            Education is extremely important.

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              11 Nov 2024, 17:28

              This puzzle is me being a dick. The smallest number in the smallest solution has more than 80 digits. Which is pretty amazing if you think about it.

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              Klaus
              wrote on 11 Nov 2024, 19:54 last edited by Klaus 11 Nov 2024, 19:55
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              @jon-nyc said in Puzzle Time - polynomials:

              This puzzle is me being a dick. The smallest number in the smallest solution has more than 80 digits. Which is pretty amazing if you think about it.

              But is there a way to come up with the solution analytically?

              I know that Diophantine equations are undecidable in general, and analytical solutions only exist for a few special cases.

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                jon-nyc
                wrote on 11 Nov 2024, 23:31 last edited by
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                Yes. In fact it has to involve some clever analysis before doing automated searches. Naive messing around on a computer is not going to find an 80-digit number.

                https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NXYxl3tH7_mZMTBYL7pCeP8RY2bquVyF/view?usp=drivesdk

                The search involved elliptic curves.

                I just love how basic and innocent the problem seems. It looks like the solution should involve some one- or two-digit numbers.

                Only non-witches get due process.

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