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Happy October - Kamala’s a plagiarist

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  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

    Neither of them are journalists. The ghost writer (credited) fucked up. Imagining that the person who hired the ghost writer would do an investigation on this level is not unrealistic, it’s comically absurd.

    The point stands. Rufo did his Rufo stuff. Kamala is unscathed. No one who didn’t already hate her is thinking about this. Rando ghost writer is done. Good job Chris, look at the engagement your tweet got! Just another day in Magatstan.

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    Horace
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    @jon-nyc said in Happy October - Kamala’s a plagiarist:

    Just another day in Magatstan.

    I guess you are beginning to use that word to describe anybody who supports Trump over Harris. I mean of course you do, but Rufo actually would have loved it if Trump hadn't won the primary.

    Education is extremely important.

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      She can't even be trusted to fact check a book with her name on it that she couldn't even be trusted to write, and some of us want to give her the keys to the nuclear arsenal.

      Terrifying.

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      @Horace said in Happy October - Kamala’s a plagiarist:

      She can't even be trusted to fact check a book with her name on it

      Which of the facts are wrong?

      Only non-witches get due process.

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      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

        @Horace said in Happy October - Kamala’s a plagiarist:

        She can't even be trusted to fact check a book with her name on it

        Which of the facts are wrong?

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        @jon-nyc said in Happy October - Kamala’s a plagiarist:

        @Horace said in Happy October - Kamala’s a plagiarist:

        She can't even be trusted to fact check a book with her name on it

        Which of the facts are wrong?

        I was referencing the present accusations, and had a slip of typing. I meant, check for plagiarism.

        After that is settled, we can examine whether the post was tongue in cheek.

        Education is extremely important.

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          jon-nyc
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          The difference is non-trivial. Fact checking is a standard function in publishing. They have departments that do that.

          Almost two decades ago when that book was written there weren’t great tools to do the investigation that the German guy did. At any rate I’m unaware of any publishers that do that. Maybe that’ll change in the AI era.

          Only non-witches get due process.

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          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

            The difference is non-trivial. Fact checking is a standard function in publishing. They have departments that do that.

            Almost two decades ago when that book was written there weren’t great tools to do the investigation that the German guy did. At any rate I’m unaware of any publishers that do that. Maybe that’ll change in the AI era.

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            @jon-nyc said in Happy October - Kamala’s a plagiarist:

            two decades ago when that book was written

            Kudos to the plagiarizers. Wikipedia was 3 years old.

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              And from what I understand, the Wikipedia page that was lifted was inaccurate at best and flat out wrong at worst.

              The Brad

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              • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                And from what I understand, the Wikipedia page that was lifted was inaccurate at best and flat out wrong at worst.

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                @LuFins-Dad said in Happy October - Kamala’s a plagiarist:

                And from what I understand, the Wikipedia page that was lifted was inaccurate at best and flat out wrong at worst.

                Uh oh. I've heard that this ratchets up the severity. It was terrifying before. Now, I've run out of words.

                Education is extremely important.

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                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                  @jon-nyc said in Happy October - Kamala’s a plagiarist:

                  Congratulations Rufo, you ruined a ghost writer’s career and did nothing to Harris. Nothing at all.

                  Just the other day Richard Hanania put him a half click above catturd.

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                  @jon-nyc said in Happy October - Kamala’s a plagiarist:

                  @jon-nyc said in Happy October - Kamala’s a plagiarist:

                  Congratulations Rufo, you ruined a ghost writer’s career and did nothing to Harris. Nothing at all.

                  Just the other day Richard Hanania put him a half click above catturd.

                  They used to be friendly. Hanania had Rufo on his podcast. What happened?

                  Link to video

                  Education is extremely important.

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                    Fiery, but peaceful...

                    https://redstate.com/sister-toldjah/2024/10/14/sad-trombone-the-new-york-times-is-not-handling-the-kamala-harris-plagiarism-news-well-at-all-n2180570

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      There are a few possibilities here.

                      1. Harris lifted the text from Wikipedia and Hamilton didn't catch it. I can't blame Hamilton for that - it's probably pretty obscure and no one would have caught it in the day before "plagiarism checking" was a thing. But, she did get caught, and deserves whatever fallout (if any) comes her way.

                      2. Hamilton lifted it, and put it in the book. Harris, not knowing that it was lifted, happily put her name on the book, hoping to get some cred as an author. But, if Hamilton lifted it, she has no business being a ghostwriter, despite the fact that some say her career is over. She stole text from another source without citation, and should find another line of work.

                      The names of two people are on the book jacket. One of them lifted it, and perhaps both of them knew it. Perhaps.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        Both options are terrifying. Imagine turning over the keys to the nuclear arsenal to her.

                        Education is extremely important.

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                        • George KG George K

                          There are a few possibilities here.

                          1. Harris lifted the text from Wikipedia and Hamilton didn't catch it. I can't blame Hamilton for that - it's probably pretty obscure and no one would have caught it in the day before "plagiarism checking" was a thing. But, she did get caught, and deserves whatever fallout (if any) comes her way.

                          2. Hamilton lifted it, and put it in the book. Harris, not knowing that it was lifted, happily put her name on the book, hoping to get some cred as an author. But, if Hamilton lifted it, she has no business being a ghostwriter, despite the fact that some say her career is over. She stole text from another source without citation, and should find another line of work.

                          The names of two people are on the book jacket. One of them lifted it, and perhaps both of them knew it. Perhaps.

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                          @George-K said in Happy October - Kamala’s a plagiarist:

                          There are a few possibilities here.

                          1. Harris lifted the text from Wikipedia and Hamilton didn't catch it. I can't blame Hamilton for that - it's probably pretty obscure and no one would have caught it in the day before "plagiarism checking" was a thing. But, she did get caught, and deserves whatever fallout (if any) comes her way.

                          2. Hamilton lifted it, and put it in the book. Harris, not knowing that it was lifted, happily put her name on the book, hoping to get some cred as an author. But, if Hamilton lifted it, she has no business being a ghostwriter, despite the fact that some say her career is over. She stole text from another source without citation, and should find another line of work.

                          The names of two people are on the book jacket. One of them lifted it, and perhaps both of them knew it. Perhaps.

                          No no no. Don’t let the NY Times coverage fool you. Rufo identified 12 different places, the European guy identified 18. I think they overlap, but possibly not. There wasn’t a single instance or even a couple…

                          The Brad

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                            NYT “Plagiarism expert” is unhappy.

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              It's terrifying. I'm still on the fence and leaning towards Kamala - but this makes me strongly reconsider my vote. Trump may be the only choice for a person of conscience.

                              Education is extremely important.

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                                https://freebeacon.com/democrats/kamala-harris-plagiarized-pages-of-congressional-testimony-from-a-republican-colleague-plus-a-fictionalized-story-about-human-trafficking/

                                On April 24, 2007, Kamala Harris testified before Congress in support of the John R. Justice Prosecutors and Defenders Incentive Act of 2007. The bill, which was introduced that year but never passed the upper chamber, would have created a student loan repayment program for state and local prosecutors, and Harris, then the district attorney of San Francisco, argued it would draw top legal talent to offices like hers.
                                In a written statement to the House Judiciary Committee, she described how debt-addled prosecutors often decamp to the private sector a few years into the job, lured by the prospect of higher pay that could be used to pay off law school debt. That dynamic had left many district attorneys' offices short-staffed, she said, forcing them to put rookie attorneys on complex cases.

                                Virtually her entire testimony about the bill was taken from that of another district attorney, Paul Logli of Winnebago County, Illinois, who had testified in support of the legislation two months earlier before the Senate Judiciary Committee. Both statements cite the same surveys, use the same language, and make the same points in the same order, with a paragraph added here or there. They even contain the same typos, such as missing punctuation or mistaken plurals. One error—a "who" that should have been a "whom"—was corrected in Harris’s transposition.

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                                The story from the hotline wasn’t a one-off. In a 2010 report on organized crime, Harris copied several passages from Bill Lockyer, one of her predecessors as California attorney general, without attribution.

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                                And of course...

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                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  I am amazed at how often this kind of thing is discovered - MLK, as another example. I can see where plagiarism could happen in doing a language translation where a previous translator really hit the mark perfectly or if your plagiarizing a clever phrase in personal communication, but this is foolish, lazy stuff. Melania’s use of Michelle Obama’s speech was probably even sillier.

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