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  • LuFins DadL Offline
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    LuFins Dad
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    #25

    It’s still not comparable. SpaceX Is launching from Federal property on a military base as part of their approved Government contract. Does the Coastal Commission actually have the jurisdictional power to restrict their launches?

    The Brad

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      Horace
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      #26

      Yeah I didn't mean to present the vendor example as analogous to this. Just something that tracked back to the same principle jon is using. In the SCOTUS decision, which was divided, there is still room for arguing whether a vendor can "effectively do their job" due to their politics. With a politically abhorrent vendor serving a population almost entirely aligned against them, funneling tax dollars to causes that population despises, any case against the government's ability to switch vendors would be ripe for legal interpretations that go counter to O'Hare Trucking vs Westlake.

      Education is extremely important.

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      • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

        It’s still not comparable. SpaceX Is launching from Federal property on a military base as part of their approved Government contract. Does the Coastal Commission actually have the jurisdictional power to restrict their launches?

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        jon-nyc
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        #27

        @LuFins-Dad said in California: No rockets because of political statements:

        It’s still not comparable. SpaceX Is launching from Federal property on a military base as part of their approved Government contract. Does the Coastal Commission actually have the jurisdictional power to restrict their launches?

        The coastal commission’s ruling covers only non-USG flights. IOW Starlink.

        Only non-witches get due process.

        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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        • HoraceH Horace

          @jon-nyc said in California: No rockets because of political statements:

          @Horace said in California: No rockets because of political statements:

          Does the first amendment block SF from changing vendors? Obviously no yes, since O’Hare Trucking vs Westlake (1996) and obviously this confirms your principle.

          Thank you for name dropping a case. To be clear, I put it at a zero % chance you could describe in coherent words what that case establishes, such that your description matched with reality. But please do go look it up and summarize with your own words, then I'll look it up and see how well your summary conforms to reality.

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          jon-nyc
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          #28

          @Horace said in California: No rockets because of political statements:

          But please do go look it up and summarize with your own words, then I'll look it up and see how well your summary conforms to reality.

          As long as we’re giving each other homework assignments, you go run a mile. When you’re done I’ll summarize the case for you. Video or it didn’t happen.

          Only non-witches get due process.

          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

            @LuFins-Dad said in California: No rockets because of political statements:

            It’s still not comparable. SpaceX Is launching from Federal property on a military base as part of their approved Government contract. Does the Coastal Commission actually have the jurisdictional power to restrict their launches?

            The coastal commission’s ruling covers only non-USG flights. IOW Starlink.

            LuFins DadL Offline
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            LuFins Dad
            wrote on last edited by
            #29

            @jon-nyc said in California: No rockets because of political statements:

            @LuFins-Dad said in California: No rockets because of political statements:

            It’s still not comparable. SpaceX Is launching from Federal property on a military base as part of their approved Government contract. Does the Coastal Commission actually have the jurisdictional power to restrict their launches?

            The coastal commission’s ruling covers only non-USG flights. IOW Starlink.

            Still launching from Space Force’s base, no?

            The Brad

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              jon-nyc
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              #30

              I would assume so. I’ve not looked into it

              Only non-witches get due process.

              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                @Horace said in California: No rockets because of political statements:

                But please do go look it up and summarize with your own words, then I'll look it up and see how well your summary conforms to reality.

                As long as we’re giving each other homework assignments, you go run a mile. When you’re done I’ll summarize the case for you. Video or it didn’t happen.

                HoraceH Offline
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                Horace
                wrote on last edited by
                #31

                @jon-nyc said in California: No rockets because of political statements:

                @Horace said in California: No rockets because of political statements:

                But please do go look it up and summarize with your own words, then I'll look it up and see how well your summary conforms to reality.

                As long as we’re giving each other homework assignments, you go run a mile. When you’re done I’ll summarize the case for you. Video or it didn’t happen.

                Eh. I'm getting into better shape, and in my day I was in better shape than you ever have been, or ever could be. Meanwhile, you're not getting any smarter. I do note that David French uses that O'Hare case when discussing Disney vs DeSantis, so that's where you got it, and whatever you managed to absorb from what he said, is what you'd be capable of parroting. And Disney vs DeSantis? Dismissed by a judge. Since we're appealing to legal authority to settle this, I thought you'd appreciate that.

                Education is extremely important.

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                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                  @LuFins-Dad said in California: No rockets because of political statements:

                  It’s still not comparable. SpaceX Is launching from Federal property on a military base as part of their approved Government contract. Does the Coastal Commission actually have the jurisdictional power to restrict their launches?

                  The coastal commission’s ruling covers only non-USG flights. IOW Starlink.

                  JollyJ Offline
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                  Jolly
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                  #32

                  @jon-nyc said in California: No rockets because of political statements:

                  @LuFins-Dad said in California: No rockets because of political statements:

                  It’s still not comparable. SpaceX Is launching from Federal property on a military base as part of their approved Government contract. Does the Coastal Commission actually have the jurisdictional power to restrict their launches?

                  The coastal commission’s ruling covers only non-USG flights. IOW Starlink.

                  OK, phone call from SecDef...One partial use government satellite per launch.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • HoraceH Horace

                    @jon-nyc said in California: No rockets because of political statements:

                    @Horace said in California: No rockets because of political statements:

                    But please do go look it up and summarize with your own words, then I'll look it up and see how well your summary conforms to reality.

                    As long as we’re giving each other homework assignments, you go run a mile. When you’re done I’ll summarize the case for you. Video or it didn’t happen.

                    Eh. I'm getting into better shape, and in my day I was in better shape than you ever have been, or ever could be. Meanwhile, you're not getting any smarter. I do note that David French uses that O'Hare case when discussing Disney vs DeSantis, so that's where you got it, and whatever you managed to absorb from what he said, is what you'd be capable of parroting. And Disney vs DeSantis? Dismissed by a judge. Since we're appealing to legal authority to settle this, I thought you'd appreciate that.

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                    #33

                    @Horace said in California: No rockets because of political statements:

                    And Disney vs DeSantis? Dismissed by a judge.

                    Ruled against at district level but appealed the very next day to the circuit court. The two parties later reached a settlement. DeSantis replaced the Magats on the improvement district with serious people and agreed to renegotiate the terms of the deal with Disney. Disney agreed to suspend the appeal pending the renegotiation.

                    Kind of like what I thought would happen - once his campaign tanked, he’d quietly walk it back. He is a traditional business-friendly Republican politician, after all.

                    Only non-witches get due process.

                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                      @Horace said in California: No rockets because of political statements:

                      And Disney vs DeSantis? Dismissed by a judge.

                      Ruled against at district level but appealed the very next day to the circuit court. The two parties later reached a settlement. DeSantis replaced the Magats on the improvement district with serious people and agreed to renegotiate the terms of the deal with Disney. Disney agreed to suspend the appeal pending the renegotiation.

                      Kind of like what I thought would happen - once his campaign tanked, he’d quietly walk it back. He is a traditional business-friendly Republican politician, after all.

                      HoraceH Offline
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                      Horace
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #34

                      @jon-nyc said in California: No rockets because of political statements:

                      @Horace said in California: No rockets because of political statements:

                      And Disney vs DeSantis? Dismissed by a judge.

                      Ruled against at district level but appealed the very next day to the circuit court. The two parties later reached a settlement. DeSantis replaced the Magats on the improvement district with serious people and agreed to renegotiate the terms of the deal with Disney. Disney agreed to suspend the appeal pending the renegotiation.

                      Kind of like what I thought would happen - once his campaign tanked, he’d quietly walk it back. He is a traditional business-friendly Republican politician, after all.

                      And the one judge who actually looked into the legal principles involved here, disagrees with you. You appeal to the authority of the case French alerted you to, while shrugging off the ruling already made. I'm not a huge fan of an appeal to legal authority to determine whether your principle is coherent, but if that's your measure, you lose. If your measure is common sense, then you can go ahead and think San Francisco wouldn't be within its legal rights to sever business ties with a vendor who started selling white supremacist pamphlets as a side hustle. That won't be anybody else's common sense.

                      Education is extremely important.

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                      • HoraceH Offline
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                        Horace
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #35

                        The particulars of this case are very different of course, and I won't be surprised if Musk prevails in his law suit.

                        Education is extremely important.

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                        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                          @Horace said in California: No rockets because of political statements:

                          And Disney vs DeSantis? Dismissed by a judge.

                          Ruled against at district level but appealed the very next day to the circuit court. The two parties later reached a settlement. DeSantis replaced the Magats on the improvement district with serious people and agreed to renegotiate the terms of the deal with Disney. Disney agreed to suspend the appeal pending the renegotiation.

                          Kind of like what I thought would happen - once his campaign tanked, he’d quietly walk it back. He is a traditional business-friendly Republican politician, after all.

                          LuFins DadL Offline
                          LuFins DadL Offline
                          LuFins Dad
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                          #36

                          @jon-nyc said in California: No rockets because of political statements:

                          @Horace said in California: No rockets because of political statements:

                          And Disney vs DeSantis? Dismissed by a judge.

                          Ruled against at district level but appealed the very next day to the circuit court. The two parties later reached a settlement. DeSantis replaced the Magats on the improvement district with serious people and agreed to renegotiate the terms of the deal with Disney. Disney agreed to suspend the appeal pending the renegotiation.

                          Kind of like what I thought would happen - once his campaign tanked, he’d quietly walk it back. He is a traditional business-friendly Republican politician, after all.

                          @jon-nyc said in California: No rockets because of political statements:

                          @Horace said in California: No rockets because of political statements:

                          And Disney vs DeSantis? Dismissed by a judge.

                          Ruled against at district level but appealed the very next day to the circuit court. The two parties later reached a settlement. DeSantis replaced the Magats on the improvement district with serious people and agreed to renegotiate the terms of the deal with Disney. Disney agreed to suspend the appeal pending the renegotiation.

                          Kind of like what I thought would happen - once his campaign tanked, he’d quietly walk it back. He is a traditional business-friendly Republican politician, after all.

                          I will forever regret the campaign he ran. He should have destroyed that orange blowhard.

                          The Brad

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                            jon-nyc
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                            #37

                            It’s just hard to be a post-Trump candidate in the Trump era. Vivek suffered the same fate.

                            I wonder if he’s kicking himself for not waiting. I bet he’d have easily been VP nominee had he played his cards right. And then he’d be odds on favorite for 28. Now he’ll have Vance to deal with.

                            Only non-witches get due process.

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                              Be interesting if Vance is running while VP...

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                jon-nyc
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                                #39

                                Yes he already told us he’d lie cheat and steal as necessary.

                                Another reason to vote against him.

                                Only non-witches get due process.

                                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                  Trump used to think the VP had total discretion to certify or not.

                                  Do you think he believes it now?

                                  My guess is he believes Harris doesn’t have that right, but Vance will have it in 2028. And if you asked him to justify that he’d vomit a bunch of incoherent non-sentences and the cult members would go “yep”!

                                  Only non-witches get due process.

                                  • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                    Horace
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                                    The existential threat crowd sure does seem to take the certification stuff seriously.

                                    Education is extremely important.

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                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #42

                                      Protecting democracy is tough.

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                        I don't believe it.

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