Woke is here to stay

[jon-nyc]

So we are in complete agreement that a Trump election would bring on a surge in wokeness by your favored metric.

[Horace]

@jon-nyc said in Woke is here to stay:

So we are in complete agreement that a Trump election would bring on a surge in wokeness by your favored metric.

None of the three charts cited in the original piece are about social media.

[jon-nyc]

Which is my problem with them. He’s not trying to measure the broader culture.

[Horace]

If your point about Trump causing wokeness boils down to a claim that Trump being elected will cause people to complain about Trump being elected, and those complaints will often have a woke angle, then we are in complete agreement. I consider that a nearly meaningless point, but if you think it's meaningful then you can continue to run with it.

[jon-nyc]

No you’re straw manning my position again.

[Horace]

@jon-nyc said in Woke is here to stay:

No you’re straw manning my position again.

Regardless of what your position may be in your own head, the measure you've chosen by which it can be proven, will actually prove nothing more than what I described. That people would complain about Trump on social media, often with woke language, if Trump were elected. Which, duh.

[jon-nyc]

It was actually the measurement you defended. I only made the point that you need to look at what ‘everybody’ says rather than just journalists and cultural anthropologists.

[Horace]

The three different charts from three different sources of information in the original piece (polls, academia, and print media) are not "everything". Granted. Though I would argue that they are not focused on marginal sub-cultures, and that they cover quite a bit of the mainstream. I am not impressed by google trends as a better measure.

[jon-nyc]

Was it polls? Or one poll question? Maybe with longitudinal data. He didn’t share at least from what you quoted. And the other two are subcultures. Hardly marginal, but insulated enough that they could trend differently from society as a whole.

[Horace]

@jon-nyc said in Woke is here to stay:

Was it polls? Or one poll question? Maybe with longitudinal data. He didn’t share at least from what you quoted. And the other two are subcultures. Hardly marginal, but insulated enough that they could trend differently from society as a whole.

And a better measure would be?