The 15-year old murderer
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Slightly inaccurate thread title. She shot her mother to death when she was 14. She called her friend to look at the body, and then shot her step father - who survived.
She was tried as an adult, and today, the jury returned a guilty verdict on all three counts (including 1st degree murder) with a sentence of life in prison for each one. From what I understand, the sentences were without parole possibility.
She was offered a plea deal - 40 years, with the likelihood of getting out in 20 (at age 34).
What a tragedy for everyone.
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Wow! Sad story. I have trouble with an insanity defense - because anybody who would kill someone like she did has to have something wrong with her brain, but she obviously knew what she was doing.
On the other side, she was 14, and I think that 14 year olds mostly do not have long term thinking. "Oh, I will get my mom out of the way. She won't be bothering me anymore , and then when things settle down..........."
Rest of her life in prison. Sad.
Surprised that her step father still seems to have a good relationship with her.
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Wow! Sad story. I have trouble with an insanity defense - because anybody who would kill someone like she did has to have something wrong with her brain, but she obviously knew what she was doing.
On the other side, she was 14, and I think that 14 year olds mostly do not have long term thinking. "Oh, I will get my mom out of the way. She won't be bothering me anymore , and then when things settle down..........."
Rest of her life in prison. Sad.
Surprised that her step father still seems to have a good relationship with her.
@taiwan_girl said in The 15-year old murderer:
I think that 14 year olds mostly do not have long term thinking.
But they can decide their gender.
Never mind.
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Keeping a gun in the house whilst living with a teenage girl suffering from depression isn't something I'd choose to do.
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Keeping a gun in the house whilst living with a teenage girl suffering from depression isn't something I'd choose to do.
@Doctor-Phibes said in The 15-year old murderer:
Keeping a gun in the house whilst living with a teenage girl suffering from depression isn't something I'd choose to do.
I watched a video today with Andrew Branca - he's an attorney who specializes in self-defense law. He cites this case, as well as Crumbly, as examples where a guardian (parent, etc) can be held liable if there is a history of mental instability in a home with an unsecured firearm.
Link to videoAs an aside - for some reason I find Dana Loesch annoying...
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@Doctor-Phibes said in The 15-year old murderer:
Keeping a gun in the house whilst living with a teenage girl suffering from depression isn't something I'd choose to do.
I watched a video today with Andrew Branca - he's an attorney who specializes in self-defense law. He cites this case, as well as Crumbly, as examples where a guardian (parent, etc) can be held liable if there is a history of mental instability in a home with an unsecured firearm.
Link to videoAs an aside - for some reason I find Dana Loesch annoying...
@George-K said in The 15-year old murderer:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The 15-year old murderer:
Keeping a gun in the house whilst living with a teenage girl suffering from depression isn't something I'd choose to do.
I watched a video today with Andrew Branca - he's an attorney who specializes in self-defense law. He cites this case, as well as Crumbly, as examples where a guardian (parent, etc) can be held liable if there is a history of mental instability in a home with an unsecured firearm.
Link to videoAs an aside - for some reason I find Dana Loesch annoying...
For me, the primary fear would be that the kid would self-harm, but there's also the fear that they could do something terrible to others. Neither is worth the risk IMHO. I know I grew up in a different culture regarding attitudes to guns, but the thought of owning these things in these situations isn't something I really understand at all.
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Slightly inaccurate thread title. She shot her mother to death when she was 14. She called her friend to look at the body, and then shot her step father - who survived.
She was tried as an adult, and today, the jury returned a guilty verdict on all three counts (including 1st degree murder) with a sentence of life in prison for each one. From what I understand, the sentences were without parole possibility.
She was offered a plea deal - 40 years, with the likelihood of getting out in 20 (at age 34).
What a tragedy for everyone.
Link to video@George-K said in The 15-year old murderer:
She was tried as an adult
Turns out that the decision to try her as an adult is not a matter of discretion. It's baked into the law. Statute states that anyone accused of a crime involving a firearm will be charged as an adult.
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@George-K said in The 15-year old murderer:
She was tried as an adult
Turns out that the decision to try her as an adult is not a matter of discretion. It's baked into the law. Statute states that anyone accused of a crime involving a firearm will be charged as an adult.
@George-K said in The 15-year old murderer:
Statute states that anyone accused of a crime involving a firearm will be charged as an adult.
Not being funny, but that doesn't really seem to make any sense. You're either a child, or you're not.
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Then there are the psychopaths. They are just out there in the world. Most in the lower end of the IQ scale end up in prison for one reason or another, but the smart ones--that's how guys like Putin can send tens of thousands to their death and still have a good night sleep.
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There's a lot of overlay on this case.
The defense claims that the perp was switched to a new psych med and she became unstable after that medication was started.
She has a long, long, history of living in an abusive environment. Her mom (whom she killed) and she fled her father's home when she was four, in the middle of the night, because they feared for their safety. Her father is/was a serious drug user - he offered his 4 year old daughter marijuana and LSD.
Are there serious issues with her mental health and stability? Sure are.
Should he be locked up forever? I dunno. WHat's the record on rehabbing people like this poor, poor, girl?
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There's a lot of overlay on this case.
The defense claims that the perp was switched to a new psych med and she became unstable after that medication was started.
She has a long, long, history of living in an abusive environment. Her mom (whom she killed) and she fled her father's home when she was four, in the middle of the night, because they feared for their safety. Her father is/was a serious drug user - he offered his 4 year old daughter marijuana and LSD.
Are there serious issues with her mental health and stability? Sure are.
Should he be locked up forever? I dunno. WHat's the record on rehabbing people like this poor, poor, girl?
@George-K said in The 15-year old murderer:
Should he be locked up forever? I dunno.
That is a tough one. I do not believe that 14 year old brains are developed. I am guess that we can all look back when we were 14 and some of our thought processes were so "out there". (I know that nobody seriously thought about murder, but I also think that some 14 year olds have not concept of the consequence of their action.)
