70% of your diagnosis depends upon your labs.
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Here is the problem...
- Lack of young people who are adequately educated in high school to handle the rigor of STEM education in college.
- Affordable college degrees.
, at least in starting salaries. You can't pile up $60k (or more) of student loans and go to work at a job that pays $65k (national average for MLS)
@Jolly said in 70% of your diagnosis depends upon your labs.:
Here is the problem...
- Lack of young people who are adequately educated in high school to handle the rigor of STEM education in college.
- Affordable college degrees.
- , at least in starting salaries. You can't pile up $60k (or more) of student loans and go to work at a job that pays $65k (national average for MLS)
If companies would be more willing to take on people with Associates Degrees this would help a lot, as a decent community college is affordable - it's actually free in Rhode Island. I started doing my job back in 1989 in the UK, and most of the guys didn't have bachelors degrees. Where I currently work there's a hard requirement for a BS, and the last guy I hired had a Masters. It's totally unnecessary, but what can you do?
And, if I'm honest, some of the people I worked with back in the day without degrees were considerably better at the job than today's younger graduates, as they'd actually gone through an apprenticeship and knew how to drive test equipment. I learned more doing a 1 year diploma than I did in the 3 years to get my BS.
I was only joking
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@Jolly said in 70% of your diagnosis depends upon your labs.:
Here is the problem...
- Lack of young people who are adequately educated in high school to handle the rigor of STEM education in college.
- Affordable college degrees.
- , at least in starting salaries. You can't pile up $60k (or more) of student loans and go to work at a job that pays $65k (national average for MLS)
If companies would be more willing to take on people with Associates Degrees this would help a lot, as a decent community college is affordable - it's actually free in Rhode Island. I started doing my job back in 1989 in the UK, and most of the guys didn't have bachelors degrees. Where I currently work there's a hard requirement for a BS, and the last guy I hired had a Masters. It's totally unnecessary, but what can you do?
And, if I'm honest, some of the people I worked with back in the day without degrees were considerably better at the job than today's younger graduates, as they'd actually gone through an apprenticeship and knew how to drive test equipment. I learned more doing a 1 year diploma than I did in the 3 years to get my BS.
@Doctor-Phibes said in 70% of your diagnosis depends upon your labs.:
@Jolly said in 70% of your diagnosis depends upon your labs.:
Here is the problem...
- Lack of young people who are adequately educated in high school to handle the rigor of STEM education in college.
- Affordable college degrees.
- , at least in starting salaries. You can't pile up $60k (or more) of student loans and go to work at a job that pays $65k (national average for MLS)
If companies would be more willing to take on people with Associates Degrees this would help a lot, as a decent community college is affordable - it's actually free in Rhode Island. I started doing my job back in 1989 in the UK, and most of the guys didn't have bachelors degrees. Where I currently work there's a hard requirement for a BS, and the last guy I hired had a Masters. It's totally unnecessary, but what can you do?
And, if I'm honest, some of the people I worked with back in the day without degrees were considerably better at the job than today's younger graduates, as they'd actually gone through an apprenticeship and knew how to drive test equipment. I learned more doing a 1 year diploma than I did in the 3 years to get my BS.
I hear what you are saying, but I'm under the impression that the British have less puffery in their undergrad education and can do in two or three years what it takes American universities four years to do.
And your field may be different, but in mine the knowledge gap between the AD and BS guys is considerable. OTOH, we have a definite problem with degree inflation in management...A lot of MBA and MSA guys sitting in offices, that do not need those degrees to do what they do.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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@Mik said in 70% of your diagnosis depends upon your labs.:
But...ROBOTS! AI! All will be well...right? RIGHT?
You've walked through a clinical lab or two. Robotics are already part of the mix in bigger labs.
And how long have we had auto-verify in LIS systems?
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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@Doctor-Phibes said in 70% of your diagnosis depends upon your labs.:
@Jolly said in 70% of your diagnosis depends upon your labs.:
Here is the problem...
- Lack of young people who are adequately educated in high school to handle the rigor of STEM education in college.
- Affordable college degrees.
- , at least in starting salaries. You can't pile up $60k (or more) of student loans and go to work at a job that pays $65k (national average for MLS)
If companies would be more willing to take on people with Associates Degrees this would help a lot, as a decent community college is affordable - it's actually free in Rhode Island. I started doing my job back in 1989 in the UK, and most of the guys didn't have bachelors degrees. Where I currently work there's a hard requirement for a BS, and the last guy I hired had a Masters. It's totally unnecessary, but what can you do?
And, if I'm honest, some of the people I worked with back in the day without degrees were considerably better at the job than today's younger graduates, as they'd actually gone through an apprenticeship and knew how to drive test equipment. I learned more doing a 1 year diploma than I did in the 3 years to get my BS.
I hear what you are saying, but I'm under the impression that the British have less puffery in their undergrad education and can do in two or three years what it takes American universities four years to do.
And your field may be different, but in mine the knowledge gap between the AD and BS guys is considerable. OTOH, we have a definite problem with degree inflation in management...A lot of MBA and MSA guys sitting in offices, that do not need those degrees to do what they do.
@Jolly said in 70% of your diagnosis depends upon your labs.:
I hear what you are saying, but I'm under the impression that the British have less puffery in their undergrad education and can do in two or three years what it takes American universities four years to do.
The British degrees are much more specialized and focus almost entirely on the major subject, at least they were when I went - our idea of an 'opt-out' course was computer programming. Whether or not that creates better graduates I'm not sure.
And your field may be different, but in mine the knowledge gap between the AD and BS guys is considerable. OTOH, we have a definite problem with degree inflation in management...A lot of MBA and MSA guys sitting in offices, that do not need those degrees to do what they do.
Before I emigrated to Canada, I was sponsored through the first year of a two-year Masters in management. It's fair to say I didn't learn much that was useful.
Maybe the best thing to do is hire somebody with an AD, and then sponsor them to get a BS. If they can do that whilst working they need to be pretty motivated.
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@Jolly said in 70% of your diagnosis depends upon your labs.:
I hear what you are saying, but I'm under the impression that the British have less puffery in their undergrad education and can do in two or three years what it takes American universities four years to do.
The British degrees are much more specialized and focus almost entirely on the major subject, at least they were when I went - our idea of an 'opt-out' course was computer programming. Whether or not that creates better graduates I'm not sure.
And your field may be different, but in mine the knowledge gap between the AD and BS guys is considerable. OTOH, we have a definite problem with degree inflation in management...A lot of MBA and MSA guys sitting in offices, that do not need those degrees to do what they do.
Before I emigrated to Canada, I was sponsored through the first year of a two-year Masters in management. It's fair to say I didn't learn much that was useful.
Maybe the best thing to do is hire somebody with an AD, and then sponsor them to get a BS. If they can do that whilst working they need to be pretty motivated.
@Doctor-Phibes said in 70% of your diagnosis depends upon your labs.:
Maybe the best thing to do is hire somebody with an AD, and then sponsor them to get a BS. If they can do that whilst working they need to be pretty motivated
I'd like to see a lot more of that and we have a lot of classes online now. But some STEM subjects are difficult to teach well on the internet and some are impossible.
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@Mik said in 70% of your diagnosis depends upon your labs.:
But...ROBOTS! AI! All will be well...right? RIGHT?
You've walked through a clinical lab or two. Robotics are already part of the mix in bigger labs.
And how long have we had auto-verify in LIS systems?
@Jolly said in 70% of your diagnosis depends upon your labs.:
@Mik said in 70% of your diagnosis depends upon your labs.:
But...ROBOTS! AI! All will be well...right? RIGHT?
You've walked through a clinical lab or two. Robotics are already part of the mix in bigger labs.
And how long have we had auto-verify in LIS systems?
Still got to have the blood.
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@Jolly said in 70% of your diagnosis depends upon your labs.:
@Mik said in 70% of your diagnosis depends upon your labs.:
But...ROBOTS! AI! All will be well...right? RIGHT?
You've walked through a clinical lab or two. Robotics are already part of the mix in bigger labs.
And how long have we had auto-verify in LIS systems?
Still got to have the blood.
@Mik said in 70% of your diagnosis depends upon your labs.:
@Jolly said in 70% of your diagnosis depends upon your labs.:
@Mik said in 70% of your diagnosis depends upon your labs.:
But...ROBOTS! AI! All will be well...right? RIGHT?
You've walked through a clinical lab or two. Robotics are already part of the mix in bigger labs.
And how long have we had auto-verify in LIS systems?
Still got to have the blood.
Phlebotomists. Give me two weeks and somebody that doesn't drool and I can create an entry level phlebe.
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Compared to other undergraduate STEM degrees around the world, the Americans overemphasize the Humanities.
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Compared to other undergraduate STEM degrees around the world, the Americans overemphasize the Humanities.
@Axtremus said in 70% of your diagnosis depends upon your labs.:
Compared to other undergraduate STEM degrees around the world, the Americans overemphasize the Humanities.
There are plenty of hours of the day to do independent research into the humanities, for anybody who finds it enriching. College should probably be for learning marketable skills.
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Compared to other undergraduate STEM degrees around the world, the Americans overemphasize the Humanities.
@Axtremus said in 70% of your diagnosis depends upon your labs.:
Compared to other undergraduate STEM degrees around the world, the Americans overemphasize the Humanities.
Interesting. In undergrad school - and this was a LONG time ago - non STEM courses I took included one year of a foreign language (required), one year of English literature (required), art history, economics, music history, philosophy, geography and others I don't recall.
