Bullseye: Northwestern
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@Jolly said in Bullseye: Northwestern:
@Axtremus said in Bullseye: Northwestern:
From the article:
Like other elite colleges, Northwestern University leverages its brand name to sign up students for grad degrees with astronomical debt and low career earnings. And the federal government does nothing to stop it.
It looks like the author really, really wants the federal government to meddle more with education. I assume this is not the sort of publication that usually calls to abolish the Department of Education.
Address the message instead of shooting the messenger...
I am all for the federal government regulating and cracking down on schools/academic programs that overburden their students with student debts (relative to earnings after graduation, I suppose), and I am for empowering the Department of Education to do so.
You?
@Axtremus said in Bullseye: Northwestern:
@Jolly said in Bullseye: Northwestern:
@Axtremus said in Bullseye: Northwestern:
From the article:
Like other elite colleges, Northwestern University leverages its brand name to sign up students for grad degrees with astronomical debt and low career earnings. And the federal government does nothing to stop it.
It looks like the author really, really wants the federal government to meddle more with education. I assume this is not the sort of publication that usually calls to abolish the Department of Education.
Address the message instead of shooting the messenger...
I am all for the federal government regulating and cracking down on schools/academic programs that overburden their students with student debts, and I am for empowering the Department of Education to do so.
You?
You are thinking very strangely about this. If the federal government creates a program to throw huge amounts of money at education, then introduces some rules and regulations that pare down that money, it is incoherent to think of those rules and regulations as an expansion of government intrusion.
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@Jolly said in Bullseye: Northwestern:
@Axtremus said in Bullseye: Northwestern:
From the article:
Like other elite colleges, Northwestern University leverages its brand name to sign up students for grad degrees with astronomical debt and low career earnings. And the federal government does nothing to stop it.
It looks like the author really, really wants the federal government to meddle more with education. I assume this is not the sort of publication that usually calls to abolish the Department of Education.
Address the message instead of shooting the messenger...
I am all for the federal government regulating and cracking down on schools/academic programs that overburden their students with student debts (relative to earnings after graduation, I suppose), and I am for empowering the Department of Education to do so.
You?
@Axtremus said in Bullseye: Northwestern:
@Jolly said in Bullseye: Northwestern:
@Axtremus said in Bullseye: Northwestern:
From the article:
Like other elite colleges, Northwestern University leverages its brand name to sign up students for grad degrees with astronomical debt and low career earnings. And the federal government does nothing to stop it.
It looks like the author really, really wants the federal government to meddle more with education. I assume this is not the sort of publication that usually calls to abolish the Department of Education.
Address the message instead of shooting the messenger...
I am all for the federal government regulating and cracking down on schools/academic programs that overburden their students with student debts (relative to earnings after graduation, I suppose), and I am for empowering the Department of Education to do so.
You?
I think information is a large part of the cure. Kids should go into a program with their eyes wide open about total cost and future employment.
If you've worked on the other side of the fence, you know that your job security rests on publishing and number of students in the program. For soft science programs such as social services, you can pull stuff out the air to publish at the rate you need to do so. But if you don't have enough students, you start to become a low-completer program and you incur the scrutiny of the university. Therefore, you start to recruit. Heavily. Sadly, some programs will blow smoke up a student's ass so hard that smoke rings come out their nose. By the time the student realizes this ain't worth it, they're gone and the next batch of young fools are in the pipeline.
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Who fulfills or guarantees these loans? The government - that’s the problem.
Forget people doing their own research - private underwriters wouldn’t go in for this sort of thing.
@xenon said in Bullseye: Northwestern:
Who fulfills or guarantees these loans? The government - that’s the problem.
Forget people doing their own research - private underwriters wouldn’t go in for this sort of thing.
Then the pushback will be that education is extremely important and it is precisely the role of government to provide for this extremely important thing that the free markets would not provide for.
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Agreed - direct government funding to universities makes a lot more sense than guaranteed loans. At least the government could theoretically control costs in that scenario.
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Agreed - direct government funding to universities makes a lot more sense than guaranteed loans. At least the government could theoretically control costs in that scenario.
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Ok, I'll give you some radical proposals...
For the first couple of years of college, you don't need big research labs, high technology, etc. You need a few rooms, a speedy internet connection and teachers with at least Master's degrees. We've got a lot of empty public schools, especially old, locally historic buildings. Let's create something new...Let's rehab these buildings. Let's set up some basic college courses in those buildings and let's make sure those courses transfer to any public university.
Let's screen our applicants. A kid has to live in the college's district. He has to have a minimum ACT or SAT. The college will be on the Quarter System, taking at least 8 hours per quarter. The student must attend at least three quarters per year. The college will admit some provisional students, if certain hardships are met, but it's two and out. If you don't make passing grades (2.0 GPA/ 4 point scale)the first two quarters, you're gone.
And let's make it free.
I've got more...
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Let's open up that local college to high school seniors. If they wish to forgo their senior year at high school and they meet the minimum SAT or ACT requirements, they can attend for the same cost as everybody else.
Free.
And that includes books. And fees. And transportation (school bus).
There will be no organized sports above club level. There will be no fraternities or sororities. There will be clubs allowed other than athletic, but those will be service clubs for the school and community, such as Circle K.
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@Copper said in Bullseye: Northwestern:
@xenon said in Bullseye: Northwestern:
At least the government could theoretically control costs
um
I paid $5k full year tuition at a public Canadian university. It’s one of the top 3 schools in the country. Spots are limited, but heavily subsidized by government.
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Agreed - direct government funding to universities makes a lot more sense than guaranteed loans. At least the government could theoretically control costs in that scenario.
@xenon said in Bullseye: Northwestern:
theoretically control costs
Sure, theoretically
Nice for the student.
Not so nice for the taxpayer.
https://financialpost.com/opinion/higher-education-benefit-lower-subsidies
According to Steve Orsini, president and CEO of the Council of Ontario Universities, at least 10 of the province’s universities project operating deficits this year, with their red ink totalling $175 million. Next year their expected collective deficit is $273 million.
Without exception, government control of a sector causes deteriorating quality and increased financial pressures.
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Here’s my proposal
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the first two years of a PELL Grant can ONLY be used at a Community College or Trade School.
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Any student applying for a loan must pass an exam where they calculate out the monthly interest of the loan and show the the total amount paid over 10 years.
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