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  • George KG George K

    I didn't see that it was supposed to be laparoscopic.

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    @George-K https://www.newsweek.com/doctor-surgery-florida-liver-removed-spleen-operation-pensacola-attorney-bryan-1948035

    its in the newsweek piece

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      @George-K https://www.newsweek.com/doctor-surgery-florida-liver-removed-spleen-operation-pensacola-attorney-bryan-1948035

      its in the newsweek piece

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      @bachophile said in Florida Surgeon Tuesday:

      @George-K https://www.newsweek.com/doctor-surgery-florida-liver-removed-spleen-operation-pensacola-attorney-bryan-1948035

      its in the newsweek piece

      Ah, OK.

      So, what pathology in the spleen can cause a sudden onset of left-sided abdominal pain?

      Infarct?

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        yea maybe, pretty rare, but i still wonder if there was a CT.
        not much going on in the left upper quadrant as far as acute diagnoses....anywhere else, ok, u can (but probably shouldn't) go with peritonitis to surgery without imaging,
        Right upper-cholecystiis
        Right lower, appendix
        Left Lower, diverticulitis,
        but left upper? very little acute pathology.

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          adrenal hemorhage, also very rare. gastric torsion,all really zebras, that no one sane would go into surgery without a CT and at least a reasonable idea of what was going on...

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            This will be an interesting one to follow.

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                Operative report.
                I think I nailed it. Went in expecting a bad spleen so that’s what they saw.

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                  I bet what he thought was a ruptured splenic artery aneurysm was simply ripping to pieces the left hepatic artery.

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                    So they did do imaging and found a 12-inch spleen? That's yuge, unless the radiologist was wrong.

                    Splenic artery aneurysms are not all that unusual. It's when they (infrequently) rupture. A 1 cm aneurysm isn't likely to do that, amirite?

                    Sounds like, until they went to the OR, everything was done appropriately. Not sure if a hand-assisted lap splenectomy would be appropriate for such a large spleen, but that's not in my wheelhouse.

                    "Splenic laceration noted." Was that really the liver?

                    OK, they converted the hand-assisted lap splenectomy to an open procedure - that should have made it obvious that it was the liver, no?

                    The splenic artery aneurysm ruptured during dissection and all hell broke loose. If it was the splenic artery and not the left hepatic. That's probably when he lost sight of what was where and started to indiscriminately clamp vessels and....

                    Thoughts?

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      If there was a post-mortem, I wonder if the splenic pathology was described.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        The spleen was normall. I read that in one of the news reports. To my mind, the whole thing started with misreading the CT. I bet the radiologist is also going to be investigated. Sure the surgeon gets a lot of blame but not all of it.
                        The whole description of mobilizing the spleen is all nonsense because the spleen stayed in situ. What was removed was the left lobe of the liver. Which means there was no splenic hilum. Only the fissure, which is the falciform. between the left lateral lobe of the liver and the rest of the liver. If you go dissecting in there with a ligasure, , u r going to hit a portal, hepatic and biliary triad. No wonder blood came gushing out.

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                          License suspended.

                          https://lawandcrime.com/lawsuit/surgeon-who-fired-a-stapling-device-blindly-into-patient-and-removed-the-wrong-organ-killing-him-loses-license/

                          After multiple wrong-site surgeries that resulted in permanent harm or death — including a procedure in which a patient’s liver was removed instead of his spleen — a surgeon’s license has been suspended in Florida.

                          The Sunshine State’s Department of Health and Surgeon General Joseph Ladapo ordered an emergency suspension of Dr. Thomas Shaknovsky’s license to practice osteopathic medicine Tuesday. The 21-page order detailed the troubling circumstances surrounding two botched surgeries — and Shaknovsky’s apparent attempts to cover up his own errors.

                          The order first described the case of a patient identified as “G.D.” — a 58-year-old man scheduled for surgery to remove his left adrenal gland at Ascension Sacred Heart Emerald Coast hospital. During the procedure, Shaknovsky did not remove the man’s adrenal gland at all, but rather, removed a portion of the man’s pancreas. The order noted the stark anatomical differences between the two organs: adrenal glands are small triangular glands located on the top of each kidney while the pancreas is a large gland located behind the stomach and surrounded by the gallbladder, liver, and spleen.

                          When Shaknovsky was alerted to the error, he claimed the adrenal gland had “migrated” to a different part of the patient’s body. The patient suffered permanent harm as a result of the surgical error.

                          The suspension order next detailed the case of 70-year-old William Bryan, identified in the order as W.B.,” an Alabama man who came to Ascension Sacred Heart Emerald Coast hospital for tests to assess an abnormal spleen.

                          After medical staff advised Bryan that immediate surgery was required to prevent serious spleen-related complications, Bryan reluctantly agreed to an emergency laparoscopic splenectomy. The operation was scheduled for 4 p.m., and per the order, “staff were concerned with it being done so late in the day because they only had a skeleton crew.”

                          Further, said the order, “OR staff knew splenectomies were complicated procedures that could quickly deteriorate and were not regularly performed at Ascension.”

                          Perhaps most damning, the order said, “OR staff had concerns that Dr. Shaknovsky did not have the skill level to safely perform this procedure.”

                          Ultimately, according to the order, Shaknovsky arrived at the surgery an hour late, and opted to change course for the surgery, converting a laparoscopic procedure to an open one to mitigate difficulties in visibility. The order went on to note that Shaknovsky first reported that he was able to control a ruptured aneurysm during the procedure, but later said that he had never been able to control the aneurysm.

                          It also said that Shaknovksy “fired a stapling device blindly” into Bryan’s abdomen, removed an organ that he “believed” was the spleen, but was so affected by the “shock and chaos of the situation” that he was unable to properly identify the organ that he actually removed.

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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