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End of the "Jungle Primary" in Alaska?

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  • George KG George K

    https://alaskabeacon.com/2024/08/22/alaska-supreme-court-upholds-ranked-choice-repeal-initiative-now-bound-for-november-vote/

    A ballot measure that could repeal Alaska’s ranked choice election system is headed to a vote in November, the Alaska Supreme Court confirmed Thursday.

    In a brief order, the court’s five members upheld a lower court decision that certified Ballot Measure 2, which would repeal the laws that created the state’s ranked choice general election and open primary election.

    The order came shortly after justices heard oral arguments in an appeal claiming that the Alaska Division of Elections improperly certified the measure.

    “Today the Court quickly affirmed that the Division of Elections properly interpreted and applied the law in qualifying this initiative for the November ballot,” said Senior Assistant Attorney General Lael Harrison, in a statement issued by email. “The Department of Law is grateful to the Court for their timely review and decision on this issue, in plenty of time for the Division’s upcoming ballot printing deadlines.”

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    @George-K said in End of the "Jungle Primary" in Alaska?:

    https://alaskabeacon.com/2024/08/22/alaska-supreme-court-upholds-ranked-choice-repeal-initiative-now-bound-for-november-vote/

    A ballot measure that could repeal Alaska’s ranked choice election system is headed to a vote in November, the Alaska Supreme Court confirmed Thursday.

    In a brief order, the court’s five members upheld a lower court decision that certified Ballot Measure 2, which would repeal the laws that created the state’s ranked choice general election and open primary election.

    The order came shortly after justices heard oral arguments in an appeal claiming that the Alaska Division of Elections improperly certified the measure.

    “Today the Court quickly affirmed that the Division of Elections properly interpreted and applied the law in qualifying this initiative for the November ballot,” said Senior Assistant Attorney General Lael Harrison, in a statement issued by email. “The Department of Law is grateful to the Court for their timely review and decision on this issue, in plenty of time for the Division’s upcoming ballot printing deadlines.”

    I have a friend in the state GOP. If not for this type of primary, Murkowski would have been gone from the GOP.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      From what I understand, the ranked choice voting seems to reduce the "outliers" on both sides. From my 10000 ft view, that seems to be a good thing.

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        It sucks. You get the worst of all worlds.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          It sucks. You get the worst of all worlds.

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          @Jolly said in End of the "Jungle Primary" in Alaska?:

          It sucks. You get the worst of all worlds.

          Disagree. I fail to see how ranked voting gets the worst people elected.

          AOC is the best we can do? MTG is the best we can do? Ihan Omar is the best we can do? Lauren Boebert is the best we can do? etc etc

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            You get a Murkowski. A person who does not represent a majority of the people of her state.

            Tell me where you find ranked voting in the Constitution? I find it spits in the face of "one man, one vote".

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • JollyJ Jolly

              You get a Murkowski. A person who does not represent a majority of the people of her state.

              Tell me where you find ranked voting in the Constitution? I find it spits in the face of "one man, one vote".

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              @Jolly said in End of the "Jungle Primary" in Alaska?:

              I find it spits in the face of "one man, one vote".

              LOL. Tell me how the electoral college works for this.

              (I know I know I know, it is in the Constitution and it is not going to change).

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                @Jolly said in End of the "Jungle Primary" in Alaska?:

                I find it spits in the face of "one man, one vote".

                LOL. Tell me how the electoral college works for this.

                (I know I know I know, it is in the Constitution and it is not going to change).

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                @taiwan_girl said in End of the "Jungle Primary" in Alaska?:

                @Jolly said in End of the "Jungle Primary" in Alaska?:

                I find it spits in the face of "one man, one vote".

                LOL. Tell me how the electoral college works for this.

                (I know I know I know, it is in the Constitution and it is not going to change).

                Comparing apples and kumquats?

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  @taiwan_girl said in End of the "Jungle Primary" in Alaska?:

                  @Jolly said in End of the "Jungle Primary" in Alaska?:

                  I find it spits in the face of "one man, one vote".

                  LOL. Tell me how the electoral college works for this.

                  (I know I know I know, it is in the Constitution and it is not going to change).

                  Comparing apples and kumquats?

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                  @Jolly said in End of the "Jungle Primary" in Alaska?:

                  @taiwan_girl said in End of the "Jungle Primary" in Alaska?:

                  @Jolly said in End of the "Jungle Primary" in Alaska?:

                  I find it spits in the face of "one man, one vote".

                  LOL. Tell me how the electoral college works for this.

                  (I know I know I know, it is in the Constitution and it is not going to change).

                  Comparing apples and kumquats?

                  Of course. But not sure why this is so bad.

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                  • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                    From what I understand, the ranked choice voting seems to reduce the "outliers" on both sides. From my 10000 ft view, that seems to be a good thing.

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                    @taiwan_girl said in End of the "Jungle Primary" in Alaska?:

                    From what I understand, the ranked choice voting seems to reduce the "outliers" on both sides. From my 10000 ft view, that seems to be a good thing.

                    It’s a great thing for moderation. Fringes hate it because it defangs them.

                    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                    -Cormac McCarthy

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                      Going back a bit...To me, Alaska doesn't have what we called a Jungle Primary. We had those in Louisiana for years. Everybody ran in the primary, regardless of party. The top two then ran in a run-off election.

                      Alaska has ranked choice, which is different.

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      • JollyJ Jolly

                        Going back a bit...To me, Alaska doesn't have what we called a Jungle Primary. We had those in Louisiana for years. Everybody ran in the primary, regardless of party. The top two then ran in a run-off election.

                        Alaska has ranked choice, which is different.

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                        @Jolly said in End of the "Jungle Primary" in Alaska?:

                        Going back a bit...To me, Alaska doesn't have what we called a Jungle Primary. We had those in Louisiana for years. Everybody ran in the primary, regardless of party. The top two then ran in a run-off election.

                        Alaska has ranked choice, which is different.

                        Sorry....

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                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          @Jolly said in End of the "Jungle Primary" in Alaska?:

                          Going back a bit...To me, Alaska doesn't have what we called a Jungle Primary. We had those in Louisiana for years. Everybody ran in the primary, regardless of party. The top two then ran in a run-off election.

                          Alaska has ranked choice, which is different.

                          Sorry....

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                          @George-K said in End of the "Jungle Primary" in Alaska?:

                          @Jolly said in End of the "Jungle Primary" in Alaska?:

                          Going back a bit...To me, Alaska doesn't have what we called a Jungle Primary. We had those in Louisiana for years. Everybody ran in the primary, regardless of party. The top two then ran in a run-off election.

                          Alaska has ranked choice, which is different.

                          Sorry....

                          I think you can argue it either way.

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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