Trump & Immigration
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wrote on 19 Aug 2024, 13:09 last edited by
BTW, I saw that speech. I think Trump's meaning was clear (helps to understand Trumpspeak).
Here's what he said:
- The Border will be secured.
- There are going to be deportations. His administration will concentrate on illegals with criminal records. He wants the "bad people" gone, or if their home country will not take them, in prison.
- There is a need for immigrants, but they have to be vetted and they have to be the kind of immigrants the country needs.
The tough part is the third part. My opinion is that Immigration needs a huge overhaul, focusing on immigrants married to U.S. citizens, immigrants with needed skills, green card reform, getting a handle on how many illegals are in the country and reesetablishing the Braceros Program
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wrote on 19 Aug 2024, 16:41 last edited by
One thing I fail to see is why people think President Trump was so successful during his first term as president in regards to stopping border crossings
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wrote on 19 Aug 2024, 16:43 last edited by
Compared to Biden, and working with some outright hostility to a border wall, he was fucking stellar.
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Compared to Biden, and working with some outright hostility to a border wall, he was fucking stellar.
wrote on 20 Aug 2024, 00:45 last edited by@Jolly said in Trump & Immigration:
Compared to Biden, and working with some outright hostility to a border wall, he was fucking stellar.
I agree with the first part. But President Obama managed to numbers as low as President Trump, and I didn't remember him complaining about the lack of a border wall.
But for him to "tout" how great he was during his first time is kind of false. That was one of his main talking points during his initial campaign and during his re-election campaign. The reality is is that the numbers were about the same as during President Obama terms.
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wrote on 20 Aug 2024, 00:51 last edited by
The Washington Office on Latin America is a United States non-governmental organization whose stated goal is to promote human rights, democracy, and social and economic justice in Latin America and the Caribbean.
Take these statistics with a grain of salt.
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The Washington Office on Latin America is a United States non-governmental organization whose stated goal is to promote human rights, democracy, and social and economic justice in Latin America and the Caribbean.
Take these statistics with a grain of salt.
wrote on 20 Aug 2024, 01:16 last edited by@Copper said in Trump & Immigration:
The Washington Office on Latin America is a United States non-governmental organization whose stated goal is to promote human rights, democracy, and social and economic justice in Latin America and the Caribbean.
Take these statistics with a grain of salt.
I picked that graphic because it was pretty easy to read. But go to the Customs and Border Patrol. gov website. Same data but not in graph form.
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/nationwide-encounters
or here
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/southwest-land-border-encounters
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@Jolly said in Trump & Immigration:
Compared to Biden, and working with some outright hostility to a border wall, he was fucking stellar.
I agree with the first part. But President Obama managed to numbers as low as President Trump, and I didn't remember him complaining about the lack of a border wall.
But for him to "tout" how great he was during his first time is kind of false. That was one of his main talking points during his initial campaign and during his re-election campaign. The reality is is that the numbers were about the same as during President Obama terms.
wrote on 20 Aug 2024, 03:21 last edited by@taiwan_girl said in Trump & Immigration:
@Jolly said in Trump & Immigration:
Compared to Biden, and working with some outright hostility to a border wall, he was fucking stellar.
I agree with the first part. But President Obama managed to numbers as low as President Trump, and I didn't remember him complaining about the lack of a border wall.
But for him to "tout" how great he was during his first time is kind of false. That was one of his main talking points during his initial campaign and during his re-election campaign. The reality is is that the numbers were about the same as during President Obama terms.
The Obama Depression may have had a small effect on immigration.
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wrote on 20 Aug 2024, 12:59 last edited by jon-nyc
The Obama Depression?
You have your own alternate reality. Amazing to watch. Fascinating, to be honest.
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@taiwan_girl said in Trump & Immigration:
@Jolly said in Trump & Immigration:
Compared to Biden, and working with some outright hostility to a border wall, he was fucking stellar.
I agree with the first part. But President Obama managed to numbers as low as President Trump, and I didn't remember him complaining about the lack of a border wall.
But for him to "tout" how great he was during his first time is kind of false. That was one of his main talking points during his initial campaign and during his re-election campaign. The reality is is that the numbers were about the same as during President Obama terms.
The Obama Depression may have had a small effect on immigration.
wrote on 20 Aug 2024, 14:35 last edited by@Jolly said in Trump & Immigration:
The Obama Depression may have had a small effect on immigration.
LOL. I have to agree with @jon-nyc a bit. Regardless that the facts don't say that.
But, if I understand what you are saying:
During Obama: Economy bad --> illegal immigrants don't want to come to US
During Trump: Economy great --> illegal immigrants don't want to come to US
During Biden: Economy bad --> illegal immigrants want to come to US -
The Obama Depression?
You have your own alternate reality. Amazing to watch. Fascinating, to be honest.
wrote on 20 Aug 2024, 16:15 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Trump & Immigration:
The Obama Depression?
You have your own alternate reality. Amazing to watch. Fascinating, to be honest.
Sorry, Obama presided over what many term The Great Recession, which lasted into the end of 2009. It was the worst recession the U.S. has ever seen. I remember multiple bank failures (except those "too big to fail"), Cash For Clunkers, a horrible housing market, beaucoup job losses, a 3/4 trillion dollar stimulus and much more.
If a recession can be termed two quarters of negative growth, what would you term the mess under Obama? Many did term it a depression.
I tend to agree...
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wrote on 20 Aug 2024, 17:15 last edited by
It started in 2007 and we were out of it five months into the Obama administration.
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wrote on 20 Aug 2024, 19:29 last edited by
Ask the average guy on the street...
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wrote on 20 Aug 2024, 22:05 last edited by
@Jolly said in Trump & Immigration:
Ask the average guy on the street...
Obviously most of the average guys on the street blamed G. W. Bush; that's a big reason why W. lost the election in 2007.
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wrote on 20 Aug 2024, 22:13 last edited by jon-nyc
I remember commenting in early October 2008 that Fidelity and Vanguard were essentially mailing Obama campaign literature to half the country (3rd quarter statements).
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wrote on 20 Aug 2024, 22:15 last edited by Doctor Phibes
I think most people acknowledge that the recession was caused by the housing crisis at the end of Bush's term and not by Obama's recent election. Obama got re-elected fairly convincingly, after all.
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wrote on 20 Aug 2024, 22:16 last edited by
Around the Obama inauguration was the perfect time to buy stocks if you wanted to get in at the bottom
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@Jolly said in Trump & Immigration:
Ask the average guy on the street...
Obviously most of the average guys on the street blamed G. W. Bush; that's a big reason why W. lost the election in 2007.
wrote on 20 Aug 2024, 23:11 last edited by@Axtremus said in Trump & Immigration:
@Jolly said in Trump & Immigration:
Ask the average guy on the street...
Obviously most of the average guys on the street blamed G. W. Bush; that's a big reason why W. lost the election in 2007.
Uh, Bush was term limited in that election. He did not run.
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@Axtremus said in Trump & Immigration:
@Jolly said in Trump & Immigration:
Ask the average guy on the street...
Obviously most of the average guys on the street blamed G. W. Bush; that's a big reason why W. lost the election in 2007.
Uh, Bush was term limited in that election. He did not run.
wrote on 21 Aug 2024, 07:18 last edited by@Jolly said in Trump & Immigration:
@Axtremus said in Trump & Immigration:
@Jolly said in Trump & Immigration:
Ask the average guy on the street...
Obviously most of the average guys on the street blamed G. W. Bush; that's a big reason why W. lost the election in 2007.
Uh, Bush was term limited in that election. He did not run.
Oops, meant to say "... the GOP lost the election in 2007." The WH and control of both chambers of Congress went to the Democrats.
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Around the Obama inauguration was the perfect time to buy stocks if you wanted to get in at the bottom
wrote on 21 Aug 2024, 14:53 last edited by@xenon said in Trump & Immigration:
Around the Obama inauguration was the perfect time to buy stocks if you wanted to get in at the bottom
Larry famously called the bottom by telling everyone to sell all their stocks - literally within days of the century’s low point.
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@xenon said in Trump & Immigration:
Around the Obama inauguration was the perfect time to buy stocks if you wanted to get in at the bottom
Larry famously called the bottom by telling everyone to sell all their stocks - literally within days of the century’s low point.
wrote on 21 Aug 2024, 14:56 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Trump & Immigration:
@xenon said in Trump & Immigration:
Around the Obama inauguration was the perfect time to buy stocks if you wanted to get in at the bottom
Larry famously called the bottom by telling everyone to sell all their stocks - literally within days of the century’s low point.
It's funny, pretty much the only advice ever given to me by a bank manager was to basically do exactly the opposite of what you feel like you should do when buying stocks. He said so many people buy high and sell low it's ridiculous.
