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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
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    #2

    Screenshot 2024-07-29 at 8.27.43 AM.png

    Should be "Biden announces huge Supreme Court overhaul PROPOSAL"

    Term limits? Good luck getting a constitutional amendment through Congress, let alone the states.

    Democrats hope Biden's proposal will help to focus voters as they consider their choices in the tight presidential election.

    Yeah, it's all about the votes. His editorial is all about pandering.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • Doctor PhibesD Online
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      Doctor Phibes
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      Ignoring the fact that it won't be implemented for a moment, are terms limits and a Code of Conduct such a bad idea?

      I was only joking

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      • JollyJ Offline
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        Jolly
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        #4

        We haven't needed them since 1789. Why now?

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • MikM Offline
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          Mik
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          #5

          Yes, because it oversteps the authority of the executive branch and is only being considered because they don't like the makeup of this court. Congress has a whole lot more that needs to be done than SCOTUS but you don't see Biden calling for that.

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          • JollyJ Jolly

            We haven't needed them since 1789. Why now?

            Doctor PhibesD Online
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            Doctor Phibes
            wrote on last edited by Doctor Phibes
            #6

            @Jolly said in Biden tilts at windmills for his last six months:

            We haven't needed them since 1789. Why now?

            People didn't typically live until gone 90 back then.

            Whether you've needed them or not is debateable. What we know is that you haven't had them since 1789. Also, if you use that argument, you'll never do anything new.

            I was only joking

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            • MikM Offline
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              Mik
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              #7

              If you look at the record it’s not a bad argument

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              • MikM Mik

                If you look at the record it’s not a bad argument

                Doctor PhibesD Online
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                Doctor Phibes
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                #8

                @Mik said in Biden tilts at windmills for his last six months:

                If you look at the record it’s not a bad argument

                It would certainly have avoided the problems associated with that battery fire out on the Interstate.

                I was only joking

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                • MikM Offline
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                  Mik
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                  #9

                  Day drinking. Not for everyone. 😆

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                    Ignoring the fact that it won't be implemented for a moment, are terms limits and a Code of Conduct such a bad idea?

                    CopperC Offline
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                    Copper
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                    #10

                    @Doctor-Phibes said in Biden tilts at windmills for his last six months:

                    are terms limits and a Code of Conduct such a bad idea?

                    The founding fathers liked freedom.

                    A lot of people still do.

                    But the number of people willing to trade freedom for safety is probably growing.

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                    • jon-nycJ Offline
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                      jon-nyc
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                      #11

                      Mostly good politics in support of Harris.

                      "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                      -Cormac McCarthy

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                      • CopperC Copper

                        @Doctor-Phibes said in Biden tilts at windmills for his last six months:

                        are terms limits and a Code of Conduct such a bad idea?

                        The founding fathers liked freedom.

                        A lot of people still do.

                        But the number of people willing to trade freedom for safety is probably growing.

                        Doctor PhibesD Online
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                        Doctor Phibes
                        wrote on last edited by Doctor Phibes
                        #12

                        @Copper said in Biden tilts at windmills for his last six months:

                        The founding fathers liked freedom.

                        Is that why so many of them owned slaves, as it gave them such an appreciation of their own freedom?

                        Honestly, those guys weren't any better than the rest of us. In some cases, considerably worse.

                        I was only joking

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                        • MikM Offline
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                          By today’s standards, perhaps. But what they created is quite remarkable to this day.

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                          • taiwan_girlT Offline
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                            taiwan_girl
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                            #14

                            I am against term limits, both for Supreme Court and also for Congress. I would rather see an upper age limit.

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                            • MikM Mik

                              By today’s standards, perhaps. But what they created is quite remarkable to this day.

                              Doctor PhibesD Online
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                              Doctor Phibes
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #15

                              @Mik said in Biden tilts at windmills for his last six months:

                              By today’s standards, perhaps. But what they created is quite remarkable to this day.

                              Undoubtedly so, but there's no need to deify them or imply that what they created cannot be improved upon.

                              If there's an argument against having a code of conduct or term limits for justices, then by all means make it. But just saying 'The Founders didn't want them and they loved freedom' is no kind of argument at all.

                              I was only joking

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                              • CopperC Copper

                                @Doctor-Phibes said in Biden tilts at windmills for his last six months:

                                are terms limits and a Code of Conduct such a bad idea?

                                The founding fathers liked freedom.

                                A lot of people still do.

                                But the number of people willing to trade freedom for safety is probably growing.

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                                Renauda
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                                #16

                                @Copper

                                The founding fathers liked freedom..

                                They also highly valued law, order and good governance without which, they completely understood, there is no freedom or liberty.

                                Elbows up!

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                                  George K
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                                  https://www.nationalreview.com/2024/07/kamala-harris-and-joe-biden-propose-their-own-january-6-for-the-courts/


                                  With today’s rollout of a Court-packing-lite scheme to force the three most senior conservative justices off the Supreme Court, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are proposing their own January 6 for the court system. It’s the most dangerous policy proposal by an American president since the Second World War. Harris is pledging her campaign to it, so the question will be squarely on the ballot this fall. Anyone who repeats the partisan propaganda of calling this “court reform” should resign his job as a journalist. David Garner of the Daily Beast actually gets the headline right: “Kamala Harris Goes to War on Supreme Court and Backs Term Limits.”

                                  This isn’t “saving democracy” but destroying it. If we saw this in any other country in the world — a president frustrated with rulings of his country’s top court trying to remove the judges — we’d call it the authoritarian coup that it is. Remember the massive protests, covered lovingly by the American press, when Benjamin Netanyahu tried to rein in the power of the Israeli Supreme Court? And that was responding to a court that has no constitutional powers to overrule its parliament. Biden and Harris are proposing a far more dramatic break with American history and law than anything Netanyahu did.

                                  ,,,,

                                  The White House fact sheet on Biden’s proposal claims, in language repeated in a Biden op-ed in the Washington Post:

                                  Congress approved term limits for the Presidency over 75 years ago, and President Biden believes they should do the same for the Supreme Court. The United States is the only major constitutional democracy that gives lifetime seats to its high court Justices. Term limits would help ensure that the Court’s membership changes with some regularity; make timing for Court nominations more predictable and less arbitrary; and reduce the chance that any single Presidency imposes undue influence for generations to come. President Biden supports a system in which the President would appoint a Justice every two years to spend eighteen years in active service on the Supreme Court.

                                  First of all, it’s misleading to say that Congress limited presidential terms; it passed a proposed amendment to the Constitution (requiring a two-thirds majority in both Houses), which was ratified by three-fourths of the state legislatures. It’s also tendentious to compare this to the 22nd Amendment, which restored a norm of two-term presidencies that dated back to George Washington and had just been violated by Franklin D. Roosevelt immediately before the amendment was proposed.

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  • taiwan_girlT Offline
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                                    taiwan_girl
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                                    #18

                                    Whole lot of noise, with no chance of it happening. Allows President Biden and VP Harris say things on the campaign.

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                                    • MikM Offline
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                                      Mik
                                      wrote on last edited by
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                                      Pretty much. Come see me when you establish term limits for Congress.

                                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                      • MikM Mik

                                        Pretty much. Come see me when you establish term limits for Congress.

                                        George KG Offline
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                                        George K
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                                        @Mik said in Biden tilts at windmills for his last six months:

                                        Pretty much. Come see me when you establish term limits for Congress.

                                        The NRO article alludes to that.

                                        IIRC, there was a push for that years ago (may have been in Illinois, but the point stands) and the (Illinois?) Supreme Court ruled it unconstitutional.

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                          LuFins Dad
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                                          I think NY and California should sign onto the Convention of States, and we can hash it out…

                                          The Brad

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