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  • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

    @George-K said in What are you reading now?:

    @Aqua-Letifer said in What are you reading now?:

    You'd really not like Masters.

    It was OK - it just didn't have the cohesive feel that Band of Brothers did. I couldn't relate to the characters until halfway through. The fact that they tried to shoehorn so much real history into a relatable tale made it feel that way.

    BoB, however, follows ONE set of guys, each of whom is relatable from the outset.

    That's how it happened, though. It's harder to write a cohesive story about the 8th Air Force because it's harder to find the exact same group of guys who stayed together all throughout the war.

    I thing "The Pacific" had the same flaw, though I don't remember much of it.

    I didn't think that was a flaw. Sledge and Leckie had very different perspectives about the same experiences. I think they didn't go hard enough with portraying that. To reject one over the other would have been a disservice.

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    @Aqua-Letifer said in What are you reading now?:

    @George-K said in What are you reading now?:

    @Aqua-Letifer said in What are you reading now?:

    You'd really not like Masters.

    It was OK - it just didn't have the cohesive feel that Band of Brothers did. I couldn't relate to the characters until halfway through. The fact that they tried to shoehorn so much real history into a relatable tale made it feel that way.

    BoB, however, follows ONE set of guys, each of whom is relatable from the outset.

    That's how it happened, though. It's harder to write a cohesive story about the 8th Air Force because it's harder to find the exact same group of guys who stayed together all throughout the war.

    I thing "The Pacific" had the same flaw, though I don't remember much of it.

    I didn't think that was a flaw. Sledge and Leckie had very different perspectives about the same experiences. I think they didn't go hard enough with portraying that. To reject one over the other would have been a disservice.

    Pick one and stay with him. The backstory is an integral part of the story and how an audience becomes invested in a character and his world.

    If you haven't read it, I think this would make a great movie or miniseries:

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    The guy I'd follow in that book is George McGovern. Yeah, that McGovern. Over 30 combat missions and some of them were pretty harrowing.

    https://www.americanairmuseum.com/archive/person/george-stanley-mcgovern

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      I had low expectations for this book as I haven't been a fanboy of Elon Musk, but I like the author, enjoyed the Steve Jobs biography - and the library system had the audiobook available free online.

      Well, it's excellent. I knew Musk was a little nuts - but it's been interesting learning a bit of his life story, how he thinks and how he has approached business. I don't know that I'd have him run Boeing - but he certainly would NOT have made the mistakes the current management made. Taking the Apple slogan - he thinks different. By way of example, He abhorred that the government was doing bidding on space initiatives on a cost plus basis - where the government did the specs and let people have cost overruns - due to the fact that a lot of the government specs are arbitrary or not thoroughly understood. He's gambler with a mission - and quite willing to "lose it all" on a roll of the dice. Musk thrives on risk - a bit like Trump - which is likely at least partly why he supports and understands Trump.

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        I had low expectations for this book as I haven't been a fanboy of Elon Musk, but I like the author, enjoyed the Steve Jobs biography - and the library system had the audiobook available free online.

        Well, it's excellent. I knew Musk was a little nuts - but it's been interesting learning a bit of his life story, how he thinks and how he has approached business. I don't know that I'd have him run Boeing - but he certainly would NOT have made the mistakes the current management made. Taking the Apple slogan - he thinks different. By way of example, He abhorred that the government was doing bidding on space initiatives on a cost plus basis - where the government did the specs and let people have cost overruns - due to the fact that a lot of the government specs are arbitrary or not thoroughly understood. He's gambler with a mission - and quite willing to "lose it all" on a roll of the dice. Musk thrives on risk - a bit like Trump - which is likely at least partly why he supports and understands Trump.

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        @kluurs thanks for the review - I'll seek it out. Isaacson's bios are very readable.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          Why not?

          Screenshot 2024-07-27 at 10.46.45 AM.png

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • George KG George K

            Why not?

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            @George-K said in What are you reading now?:

            Why not?

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            Solid.

            Please love yourself.

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              I’m reading Isaacson’s Steve Jobs bio. Highly recommended.

              I might do the Musk one next, or soon at least.

              Only non-witches get due process.

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              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                I’m reading Isaacson’s Steve Jobs bio. Highly recommended.

                I might do the Musk one next, or soon at least.

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                @jon-nyc said in What are you reading now?:

                I’m reading Isaacson’s Steve Jobs bio. Highly recommended.

                Yeah, that was good.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  They're so good, I actually felt a little down after finishing each of Isaacson's books as they were so engaging - and I wanted to keep going - obviously more true with the Elon Musk book.

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                  • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                    @jon-nyc said in What are you reading now?:

                    I re-read Rise and Fall about every ten years. It’s excellent.

                    Jon, I just started The Third Reich Trilogy

                    According to Ian Kershaw, it is "the most comprehensive history in any language of the disastrous epoch of the Third Reich".[5] It has been hailed as a "masterpiece of historical scholarship".[6]

                    There are three volumes:

                    The Coming of the Third Reich
                    The Third Reich in Power
                    The Third Reich at War

                    I just started the first volume. A bit difficult for me, not really knowing much about European history (talking about Bismarck, etc. and how that set the basis for Nazi's), but I will continue with it for the time being. Mr. Evans, in his "preface" says that he tried to write it not too academic, but not too simplistic.

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                    @taiwan_girl

                    The Coming of the Third Reich
                    The Third Reich in Power
                    The Third Reich at War

                    Evan’s trilogy is excellent historiography although as you say heavy reading. His style though flows well and therefore readable. I read it a couple of years ago. The parts dealing with Nazi racial theories, policies and acts of genocide because of their depressing nature, took a lot of effort to get through on my part.

                    Elbows up!

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                    • RenaudaR Renauda

                      @taiwan_girl

                      The Coming of the Third Reich
                      The Third Reich in Power
                      The Third Reich at War

                      Evan’s trilogy is excellent historiography although as you say heavy reading. His style though flows well and therefore readable. I read it a couple of years ago. The parts dealing with Nazi racial theories, policies and acts of genocide because of their depressing nature, took a lot of effort to get through on my part.

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                      @Renauda I am about 1/2 through the first book. Tough going at first as a lot of old German history, which I know nothing about (a lot of names, territories, etc.), but does give good background on the "foundation" to the Nazis. Starting to get a bit more familiar territory so hopefully easier for me to follow.

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                      • George KG George K

                        Why not?

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                        @George-K said in What are you reading now?:

                        Why not?

                        Screenshot 2024-07-27 at 10.46.45 AM.png

                        It's a real slog. Too much introspection, too much "not moving the story along."

                        I suppose I'll finish it, but it's not as good as "Interview."

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • George KG George K

                          @George-K said in What are you reading now?:

                          Why not?

                          Screenshot 2024-07-27 at 10.46.45 AM.png

                          It's a real slog. Too much introspection, too much "not moving the story along."

                          I suppose I'll finish it, but it's not as good as "Interview."

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                          @George-K said in What are you reading now?:

                          It's a real slog. Too much introspection, too much "not moving the story along."

                          I suppose I'll finish it, but it's not as good as "Interview."

                          Yeah, this book was twice as long as it needed to be. But, I finished it.

                          Next up...

                          Screenshot 2024-08-12 at 6.33.33 PM.png

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          • George KG George K

                            @George-K said in What are you reading now?:

                            Why not?

                            Screenshot 2024-07-27 at 10.46.45 AM.png

                            It's a real slog. Too much introspection, too much "not moving the story along."

                            I suppose I'll finish it, but it's not as good as "Interview."

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                            @George-K said in What are you reading now?:

                            @George-K said in What are you reading now?:

                            Why not?

                            Screenshot 2024-07-27 at 10.46.45 AM.png

                            It's a real slog. Too much introspection, too much "not moving the story along."

                            I suppose I'll finish it, but it's not as good as "Interview."

                            I remember buying "Interview with the Vampire" while on holiday on a whim when it originally came out in the 70's (I must have been all of 13 or 14 so it would probably be considered totally unsuitable), and being completely blown away by it. I was massively disappointed by the sequel and I haven't read another Anne Rice novel since.

                            I was only joking

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                            • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                              @George-K said in What are you reading now?:

                              @George-K said in What are you reading now?:

                              Why not?

                              Screenshot 2024-07-27 at 10.46.45 AM.png

                              It's a real slog. Too much introspection, too much "not moving the story along."

                              I suppose I'll finish it, but it's not as good as "Interview."

                              I remember buying "Interview with the Vampire" while on holiday on a whim when it originally came out in the 70's (I must have been all of 13 or 14 so it would probably be considered totally unsuitable), and being completely blown away by it. I was massively disappointed by the sequel and I haven't read another Anne Rice novel since.

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                              @Doctor-Phibes said in What are you reading now?:

                              I was massively disappointed by the sequel

                              It was remarkably weak - long, boring, and wordy.

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              • George KG George K

                                Why not?

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                                @George-K said in What are you reading now?:

                                Why not?

                                Screenshot 2024-07-27 at 10.46.45 AM.png

                                Because I’m straight?

                                The Brad

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                                • George KG George K

                                  @George-K said in What are you reading now?:

                                  It's a real slog. Too much introspection, too much "not moving the story along."

                                  I suppose I'll finish it, but it's not as good as "Interview."

                                  Yeah, this book was twice as long as it needed to be. But, I finished it.

                                  Next up...

                                  Screenshot 2024-08-12 at 6.33.33 PM.png

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                                  @George-K said in What are you reading now?:

                                  @George-K said in What are you reading now?:

                                  It's a real slog. Too much introspection, too much "not moving the story along."

                                  I suppose I'll finish it, but it's not as good as "Interview."

                                  Yeah, this book was twice as long as it needed to be. But, I finished it.

                                  Next up...

                                  Screenshot 2024-08-12 at 6.33.33 PM.png

                                  I’m through the first couple of chapters. Good to start.

                                  The Brad

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                                    • RenaudaR Renauda

                                      @taiwan_girl

                                      The Coming of the Third Reich
                                      The Third Reich in Power
                                      The Third Reich at War

                                      Evan’s trilogy is excellent historiography although as you say heavy reading. His style though flows well and therefore readable. I read it a couple of years ago. The parts dealing with Nazi racial theories, policies and acts of genocide because of their depressing nature, took a lot of effort to get through on my part.

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                                      @Renauda said in What are you reading now?:

                                      @taiwan_girl

                                      The Coming of the Third Reich
                                      The Third Reich in Power
                                      The Third Reich at War

                                      Evan’s trilogy is excellent historiography although as you say heavy reading. His style though flows well and therefore readable. I read it a couple of years ago. The parts dealing with Nazi racial theories, policies and acts of genocide because of their depressing nature, took a lot of effort to get through on my part.

                                      Just finished the first volume. It was quite "heavy". Very very well researched. I don't think that Adolf Hitler or the Nazis were mentioned until more than 1/3 through the book. I will take a break but will definitely want to try the #2 and #3 volumes.

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                                        800 pages of WWII naval history. Love it.

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                                          Finished "Why We Sleep" as a re-read. Much better the 2nd time, and some things that were a blurry memory got firmly seated in my brain.

                                          One of the things that Walker says in the intro is that you don't have to read in order - feel free to skip what doesn't interest you.

                                          Highly recommended on my first read - and, on the 2nd.

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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