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  • jon-nycJ Offline
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    jon-nyc
    wrote on last edited by
    #1056

    If the reporting is accurate, the proposal came out of the Israeli war cabinet and was approved by Netanyahu himself.

    But he appears to be one man when operating in the unity government and another when talking to the coalition that got him the office in the first place.

    Only non-witches get due process.

    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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      jon-nyc
      wrote on last edited by
      #1057

      From the NYT:

      Netanyahu May Face a Choice Between a Truce and His Government’s Survival

      The Israeli prime minister has been put on the spot by President Biden’s announcement outlining a proposal for a truce.

      For months, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel has refused to offer a timeline for ending the war against Hamas in Gaza, a stance his critics see as a political tactic. But he has been put on the spot by President Biden’s announcement outlining a proposal for a truce.

      Mr. Netanyahu, a conservative, has long juggled competing personal, political and national interests. He now appears to be facing a stark choice between the survival of his hard-line, hawkish government and bringing home hostages held in Gaza while setting himself and Israel on a new course away from growing international isolation.

      Critics of the prime minister have portrayed him as indecisive and say there are two Netanyahus. One, they say, functions pragmatically in the small war cabinet he formed with some centrist rivals, to give it public legitimacy. The other is effectively being held hostage by the far-right members of his governing coalition, who oppose any concession to Hamas and who ensure his political survival.

      On Friday, Mr. Biden outlined broad terms that he said were presented by Israel to the American, Qatari and Egyptian mediators who have been pushing for a deal to pause the fighting and free hostages in Gaza. Israeli officials confirmed that the terms matched a cease-fire proposal that had been approved by Israel’s war cabinet but not yet presented to the Israeli public.

      Now, analysts say, it is crunchtime for Bibi, as the prime minister is popularly known.

      Mr. Biden “booted Netanyahu out of the closet of ambiguity and presented Netanyahu’s proposal himself,” Ben Caspit, a biographer and longtime critic of the prime minister, wrote in Sunday’s Maariv, a Hebrew daily. “Then he asked a simple question: Does Bibi support Netanyahu’s proposal? Yes or no. No nonsense and hot air.”

      The leaders of two far-right parties in the coalition — Bezalel Smotrich, Israel’s minister of finance, and Itamar Ben-Gvir, the national security minister — have pledged to bring Mr. Netanyahu’s government down if the prime minister goes along with the deal outlined by Mr. Biden before Hamas is fully destroyed. Some hard-line members of Mr. Netanyahu’s own Likud party have said they will join them.

      At the same time, Benny Gantz and Gadi Eisenkot, two former military chiefs who joined the emergency government for the duration of the war, have threatened to withdraw the support of their centrist National Unity party by June 8 if Mr. Netanyahu fails to come up with a clear path forward. And opposition parties have begun organizing to try to topple the government.

      The cease-fire proposal involves three phases. Under the plan, groups of hostages would be released in exchange for hundreds of Palestinian prisoners in Israeli jails, a temporary cease-fire would turn into a permanent cessation of hostilities, and an internationally backed effort would be launched to rebuild Gaza.
      More than 100 hostages were released under a more limited deal last November. An estimated 125 people are still being held by Hamas and other armed groups in Gaza, though dozens are believed to be dead.

      More here:

      https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/02/world/middleeast/netanyahu-biden-truce-proposal.html

      Only non-witches get due process.

      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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      • George KG Offline
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        George K
        wrote on last edited by
        #1058

        "Hostages were held in private homes among Gazan citizens, which required a precise operation while civilians were around."

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • CopperC Offline
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          Copper
          wrote on last edited by
          #1059

          Come on @CNN - the four hostages were RESCUED not released.

          Do better.

          Now it appears to be both a release and a rescue.

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          • bachophileB Offline
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            bachophile
            wrote on last edited by
            #1060

            people desperate for a good news day, and they got one
            (thats my hospital btw....)

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            • MikM Offline
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              Mik
              wrote on last edited by
              #1061

              Four less hostages. A very good day.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              • MikM Offline
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                Mik
                wrote on last edited by
                #1062

                A few dead militants is the icing on the cake.

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                • George KG Offline
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                  George K
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #1063

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • George KG Offline
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                    George K
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #1064

                    Journalism...

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • George KG Offline
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                      George K
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #1065

                      Who wants to tell them that they might still be alive, if only....

                      https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/06/09/israel-hamas-war-news-gaza-hostages/

                      Screenshot 2024-06-09 at 7.49.24 AM.png

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • George KG Offline
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                        George K
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #1066

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

                        LuFins DadL 1 Reply Last reply
                        • George KG Offline
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                          George K
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #1067

                          “Community Notes”

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          • RenaudaR Offline
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                            Renauda
                            wrote on last edited by Renauda
                            #1068

                            Civilians, they say. Perhaps they were but all the same, a just end to Hamas collaborators. Sorry to hear that Hamas again used children as human shields. But as the saying goes, when you chop wood, chips fly.

                            Elbows up!

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                            • MikM Offline
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                              Mik
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #1069

                              You cannot hide 220 hostages among civilians without some of them knowing.

                              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              • RenaudaR Offline
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                                Renauda
                                wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                #1070

                                @Mik

                                Some? Am sure all the adult males and the vast majority of adult women were in the know.

                                Elbows up!

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                                • MikM Offline
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                                  Mik
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #1071

                                  And supporting it.

                                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                    LuFins DadL Offline
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                                    LuFins Dad
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #1072

                                    @George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                                    She started with “the four hostages and then being released”

                                    They weren’t released, sweetheart.

                                    The Brad

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                                    • LuFins DadL Offline
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                                      LuFins Dad
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #1073

                                      I really wish I hadn’t listened to that. I was having a really good day up until then.

                                      The Brad

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                                      • RenaudaR Renauda

                                        @Mik

                                        Some? Am sure all the adult males and the vast majority of adult women were in the know.

                                        CopperC Offline
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                                        Copper
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #1074

                                        @Renauda said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                                        @Mik

                                        Some? Am sure all the adult males and the vast majority of adult women were in the know.

                                        And certainly all the Ivy League students.

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                                        • George KG Offline
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                                          George K
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #1075

                                          Benny Gantz has resigned. Is this a thing?

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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