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  • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

    @Jolly said in Highly Speculative:

    @LuFins-Dad said in Highly Speculative:

    @Mik said in Highly Speculative:

    This just gets more and more bizarre.

    Rumble? Yeah…

    Doesn't matter a bit. Two questions to ask yourself:

    1. Can it be done?

    Rumble? Apparently not well…

    YES

    1. Will this judge do it to obtain a conviction?

    That's an interesting question.

    Not really, it’s conjecture built on conjecture. Dersh is upfront about that. I think what he saw the day the Judge cleared the court has him very flabbergasted.

    Now Dersh, he’s the interesting story in this to my mind. The guy still has liberal leanings and tendencies to my mind. He is upfront that he voted for Biden. He is not a conservative or even a moderate by any stretch of the imagination, but he is a Legal Boomer yelling “Get Off My Lawn!” when it comes to a lot of stuff that has been happening in the courts recently, and has become a Conservative favorite despite not being a Conservative and advocating against Conservative principles. At the same time, he has been ostracized by his friends, colleagues, and is basically a man on an island. It’s fascinating to watch.

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    @LuFins-Dad said in Highly Speculative:

    @Jolly said in Highly Speculative:

    @LuFins-Dad said in Highly Speculative:

    @Mik said in Highly Speculative:

    This just gets more and more bizarre.

    Rumble? Yeah…

    Doesn't matter a bit. Two questions to ask yourself:

    1. Can it be done?

    Rumble? Apparently not well…

    YES

    1. Will this judge do it to obtain a conviction?

    That's an interesting question.

    Not really, it’s conjecture built on conjecture. Dersh is upfront about that. I think what he saw the day the Judge cleared the court has him very flabbergasted.

    Now Dersh, he’s the interesting story in this to my mind. The guy still has liberal leanings and tendencies to my mind. He is upfront that he voted for Biden. He is not a conservative or even a moderate by any stretch of the imagination, but he is a Legal Boomer yelling “Get Off My Lawn!” when it comes to a lot of stuff that has been happening in the courts recently, and has become a Conservative favorite despite not being a Conservative and advocating against Conservative principles. At the same time, he has been ostracized by his friends, colleagues, and is basically a man on an island. It’s fascinating to watch.

    I don't think Dersh has changed that much. He's still basically a defense attorney desperately hoping for a fair and unbiased trial and noticeably upset when it becomes evident that someone has their fingers on the scales of Justice.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • MikM Away
      MikM Away
      Mik
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      #13

      I still do not see how this can be deemed in furtherance of a crime if that crime has not been established, prosecuted or even agreed upon.

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      • MikM Mik

        I still do not see how this can be deemed in furtherance of a crime if that crime has not been established, prosecuted or even agreed upon.

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        LuFins Dad
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        #14

        @Mik said in Highly Speculative:

        I still do not see how this can be deemed in furtherance of a crime if that crime has not been established, prosecuted or even agreed upon.

        I think @jon-nyc just pointed it out. The crime covered doesn’t need to be Trump’s. Cohen has plead guilty and been convicted. They could use the argument that Trump was trying to hide Cohen’s crime…

        The Brad

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        • MikM Away
          MikM Away
          Mik
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          #15

          FFS

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            Horace
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            #16

            The law is a cornucopia of possibilities, as every good lawyer knows.

            Education is extremely important.

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            • MikM Mik

              FFS

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              LuFins Dad
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              #17

              @Mik said in Highly Speculative:

              FFS

              Yeah. That’s what I’ve been missing in all this, myself. That’s really something, innit?

              The Brad

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              • jon-nycJ Online
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                jon-nyc
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                #18

                It seems really straightforward. If you falsify a business record that’s a misdemeanor. Of you do it with intent to cover up a crime it’s a felony.

                It makes sense that the record falsifying person doesn’t have to have been the one that committed the crime, as long as he’s intentionally helping to cover it up.

                Take it out of a political context. A CFO falsifies records to cover up the fact that his company bribed a local official. He knew about it and is covering it up even though it was the head of sales who paid the actual bribe.

                This is the same concept as ‘aiding and abetting ‘ or ‘accesory after the fact’.

                "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                -Cormac McCarthy

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                  LuFins Dad
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                  #19

                  Did we listen to the same advisory opinions last night?

                  The Brad

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                  • jon-nycJ Online
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                    jon-nyc
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                    #20

                    I’m speaking specifically to the point that it needn’t have been Trump who committed the underlying crime. That NY law isn’t the travesty it sounds like to some people.

                    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                    -Cormac McCarthy

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                      Jolly
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                      #21

                      And when this conviction gets overturned, I guess it will still be a good law?

                      Look...If I was somebody running a major corporation, do you think it wise to headquarter in New York?

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        jon-nyc
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                        #22

                        Not if I were going to falsify business records.

                        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                        -Cormac McCarthy

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                        • JollyJ Jolly

                          And when this conviction gets overturned, I guess it will still be a good law?

                          Look...If I was somebody running a major corporation, do you think it wise to headquarter in New York?

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                          @Jolly said in Highly Speculative:

                          And when this conviction gets overturned, I guess it will still be a good law?

                          Look...If I was somebody running a major corporation, do you think it wise to headquarter in New York?

                          Let’s address the “overturning” of the conviction. Let me introduce you to the appellate court that will be the next stop for Justice Impacted President Trump -

                          The Brad

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                          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                            Not if I were going to falsify business records.

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                            Jolly
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                            #24

                            @jon-nyc said in Highly Speculative:

                            Not if I were going to falsify business records.

                            If I walked into the firm where you were previously employed, with 30 auditors, unlimited time and unlimited budget, do you think I could find something Twinkie Bragg could prosecute?

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                              @Jolly said in Highly Speculative:

                              And when this conviction gets overturned, I guess it will still be a good law?

                              Look...If I was somebody running a major corporation, do you think it wise to headquarter in New York?

                              Let’s address the “overturning” of the conviction. Let me introduce you to the appellate court that will be the next stop for Justice Impacted President Trump -

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                              George K
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #25

                              @LuFins-Dad said in Highly Speculative:

                              @Jolly said in Highly Speculative:
                              er in New York?

                              Let’s address the “overturning” of the conviction. Let me introduce you to the appellate court that will be the next stop for Justice Impacted President Trump -

                              I saw that pic that got deleted.

                              It's a publicity shot of the 6 Black women who are part of the 25 member appellate court.

                              Now, remember 1.5% of the lawyers in the country are black women.

                              What are the odds they comprise 25% of the appellate court.

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                Jolly
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                                Ladies and Gentlemen, pick your weapons.

                                https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/trump-conviction-will-kick-off-war-of-weaponization-of-us-justice-system-warns-alan-dershowitz/ar-BB1npj1g?ocid=BingNewsSerp

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                • George KG George K

                                  @LuFins-Dad said in Highly Speculative:

                                  @Jolly said in Highly Speculative:
                                  er in New York?

                                  Let’s address the “overturning” of the conviction. Let me introduce you to the appellate court that will be the next stop for Justice Impacted President Trump -

                                  I saw that pic that got deleted.

                                  It's a publicity shot of the 6 Black women who are part of the 25 member appellate court.

                                  Now, remember 1.5% of the lawyers in the country are black women.

                                  What are the odds they comprise 25% of the appellate court.

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                                  Doctor Phibes
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #27

                                  @George-K said in Highly Speculative:

                                  Now, remember 1.5% of the lawyers in the country are black women.

                                  What are the odds they comprise 25% of the appellate court.

                                  Better odds than the fact that only 0% of all the US Presidents have been women, and 2% black?

                                  I was only joking

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                                  • George KG George K

                                    @LuFins-Dad said in Highly Speculative:

                                    @Jolly said in Highly Speculative:
                                    er in New York?

                                    Let’s address the “overturning” of the conviction. Let me introduce you to the appellate court that will be the next stop for Justice Impacted President Trump -

                                    I saw that pic that got deleted.

                                    It's a publicity shot of the 6 Black women who are part of the 25 member appellate court.

                                    Now, remember 1.5% of the lawyers in the country are black women.

                                    What are the odds they comprise 25% of the appellate court.

                                    CopperC Offline
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                                    Copper
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #28

                                    @George-K said in Highly Speculative:

                                    What are the odds they comprise 25% of the appellate court.

                                    A million to one.

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