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Kidney transplant - don't be a pig. Or, go ahead, it might work!

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  • taiwan_girlT Offline
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    https://medicalxpress.com/news/2023-10-maryland-pig-heart-transplant-dies.html#google_vignette

    The second person to receive a transplanted heart from a pig has died, nearly six weeks after the highly experimental surgery, his Maryland doctors announced Tuesday.

    Lawrence Faucette, 58, was dying from heart failure and ineligible for a traditional heart transplant when he received the genetically modified pig heart on Sept. 20.

    According to the University of Maryland School of Medicine, the heart had seemed healthy for the first month but began showing signs of rejection in recent days. Faucette died Monday.

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    • CopperC Offline
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      Surgeons attached the pig kidney to a pair of large blood vessels outside the body of a deceased recipient so they could observe it for two days.

      Really?

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        Surgeons Transplant Pig Kidney Into a Patient

        Surgeons in Boston have transplanted a kidney from a genetically engineered pig into an ailing 62-year-old man, the first procedure of its kind. If successful, the breakthrough offers hope to hundreds of thousands of Americans whose kidneys have failed.

        So far, the signs are promising.

        Kidneys remove waste products and excess fluid from the blood. The new kidney began producing urine shortly after the surgery last weekend and the patient’s condition continues to improve, according to physicians at Massachusetts General Hospital, known as Mass General. He is already walking the halls of the hospital and may be discharged soon.

        The patient is a Black man, and the procedure may have special significance for Black patients, who suffer high rates of end-stage kidney disease.

        A new source of kidneys “could solve an intractable problem in the field — the inadequate access of minority patients to kidney transplants,” said Dr. Winfred Williams, associate chief of the nephrology division at Mass General and the patient’s primary kidney doctor.

        If kidneys from genetically modified animals can be transplanted on a large scale, dialysis “will become obsolete,” said Dr. Leonardo V. Riella, medical director for kidney transplantation at Mass General. The hospital’s parent organization, Mass General Brigham, developed the transplant program.

        Of course, PETA objects:

        The surgery was not without critics. Xenotransplantation raises the prospect of still greater exploitation of animals and may introduce new pathogens into human populations, said Kathy Guillermo, senior vice president at People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals.
        “Using pigs as a source of spare parts is dangerous to the human patients, deadly for the animals and may bring about the next pandemic,” she said. “It’s impossible to eliminate, or even identify, all the viruses that pigs carry. Researchers need to focus on cleaning up the organ donation system and leave the animals alone.”

        The four-hour operation was carried out by a team of surgeons, including Dr. Tatsuo Kawai, director of the Legorreta Center for Clinical Transplant Tolerance at Mass General, and Dr. Nahel Elias.

        Surprised it took this long. Back in the day, our guys would do a transplant in about two hours. It's not a particularly challenging procedure.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • MikM Offline
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          All for it. I suspect if we compared the number of pigs for transplant to the number of pigs we eat it would be insignificant.

          Besides, we only need to take one, and the pig can live happily ever after. Maybe we could develop all-inclusive pig resorts for the donor pigs.

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          • George KG George K

            @mik said in Kidney transplant - don't be a pig. Or, go ahead, it might work!:

            I guess then I wouldn't be halal. A small sacrifice.

            You misspelled "kosher."

            Akshually, pig valves are OK and considered kosher, iirc.

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            @George-K said in Kidney transplant - don't be a pig. Or, go ahead, it might work!:

            @mik said in Kidney transplant - don't be a pig. Or, go ahead, it might work!:

            I guess then I wouldn't be halal. A small sacrifice.

            You misspelled "kosher."

            Akshually, pig valves are OK and considered kosher, iirc.

            Yea no problem.

            Remember when insulin was made from pigs?

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              https://apnews.com/article/pig-kidney-transplant-recipient-dies-d6cf10ac76a4bcde1b3021f45b9695b4

              The first recipient of a genetically modified pig kidney transplant has died nearly two months after he underwent the procedure, his family and the hospital that performed the surgery said Saturday.

              Richard “Rick” Slayman had the transplant at Massachusetts General Hospital in March at the age of 62. Surgeons said they believed the pig kidney would last for at least two years.

              The transplant team at Massachusetts General Hospital said in a statement it was deeply saddened by Slayman’s passing and offered condolences to his family. They said they didn’t have any indication that he died as a result of the transplant.

              The Weymouth, Massachusetts, man was the first living person to have the procedure. Previously, pig kidneys had been temporarily transplanted into brain-dead donors. Two men received heart transplants from pigs, although both died within months.

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • MikM Offline
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                Then what DID he die of? That would seem relevant.

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                • MikM Mik

                  Then what DID he die of? That would seem relevant.

                  George KG Offline
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                  @Mik said in Kidney transplant - don't be a pig. Or, go ahead, it might work!:

                  Then what DID he die of? That would seem relevant.

                  Yup - my questions as well.

                  Infection from a suppressed immune system?

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • George KG George K

                    https://apnews.com/article/pig-kidney-transplant-recipient-dies-d6cf10ac76a4bcde1b3021f45b9695b4

                    The first recipient of a genetically modified pig kidney transplant has died nearly two months after he underwent the procedure, his family and the hospital that performed the surgery said Saturday.

                    Richard “Rick” Slayman had the transplant at Massachusetts General Hospital in March at the age of 62. Surgeons said they believed the pig kidney would last for at least two years.

                    The transplant team at Massachusetts General Hospital said in a statement it was deeply saddened by Slayman’s passing and offered condolences to his family. They said they didn’t have any indication that he died as a result of the transplant.

                    The Weymouth, Massachusetts, man was the first living person to have the procedure. Previously, pig kidneys had been temporarily transplanted into brain-dead donors. Two men received heart transplants from pigs, although both died within months.

                    CopperC Offline
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                    @George-K said in Kidney transplant - don't be a pig. Or, go ahead, it might work!:

                    Previously, pig kidneys had been temporarily transplanted into brain-dead donors.

                    Really?

                    I guess that would reduce the liability since the patient is already dead.

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                    • George KG George K

                      @Mik said in Kidney transplant - don't be a pig. Or, go ahead, it might work!:

                      Then what DID he die of? That would seem relevant.

                      Yup - my questions as well.

                      Infection from a suppressed immune system?

                      MikM Offline
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                      #15

                      @George-K said in Kidney transplant - don't be a pig. Or, go ahead, it might work!:

                      @Mik said in Kidney transplant - don't be a pig. Or, go ahead, it might work!:

                      Then what DID he die of? That would seem relevant.

                      Yup - my questions as well.

                      Infection from a suppressed immune system?

                      Journalism is dead. we just get factoids, not stories.

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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