The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today
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wrote on 11 May 2024, 16:14 last edited by
I don't see how this can even be tried without the Federal charge.
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wrote on 11 May 2024, 16:57 last edited by
This is in fact a bogus case. As I said from the beginning I wish it hadn’t been brought.
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I don't see how this can even be tried without the Federal charge.
wrote on 11 May 2024, 17:18 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:
I don't see how this can even be tried without the Federal charge.
We should ask a president of the FEC if he has any idea if election laws were broken...
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wrote on 11 May 2024, 19:01 last edited by
@jon-nyc said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:
This is in fact a bogus case. As I said from the beginning I wish it hadn’t been brought.
The Georgia case is falling apart due to prosecutorial misconduct. That leaves the Florida documents case, and there are serious evidentiary problems with how the FBI handled the documents and how the evidence was presented to the press, the public, and presented in prosecution.
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@LuFins-Dad said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:
I don't see how this can even be tried without the Federal charge.
We should ask a president of the FEC if he has any idea if election laws were broken...
wrote on 11 May 2024, 20:36 last edited by@George-K said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:
@LuFins-Dad said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:
I don't see how this can even be tried without the Federal charge.
We should ask a president of the FEC if he has any idea if election laws were broken...
Oh. My. Giddy. Aunt.
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wrote on 12 May 2024, 10:29 last edited by
You folks really need to get over the question of whether a federal election law has been broken.
The established answer is simply "yes." Michael Cohen pleaded guilty and served jail time for it -- the federal crime has already been established.
This NY state "hush money trial" now is just trying to establish a connection between Trump "falsifying business records" and the federal crime for which Cohen served jail time.
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You folks really need to get over the question of whether a federal election law has been broken.
The established answer is simply "yes." Michael Cohen pleaded guilty and served jail time for it -- the federal crime has already been established.
This NY state "hush money trial" now is just trying to establish a connection between Trump "falsifying business records" and the federal crime for which Cohen served jail time.
wrote on 12 May 2024, 13:08 last edited by@Axtremus said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:
You folks really need to get over the question of whether a federal election law has been broken.
The established answer is simply "yes." Michael Cohen pleaded guilty and served jail time for it -- the federal crime has already been established.
This NY state "hush money trial" now is just trying to establish a connection between Trump "falsifying business records" and the federal crime for which Cohen served jail time.
Here’s what Cohen admitted:
Tax fraud
The criminal information supplied by federal prosecutors charges Cohen with evasion of personal income tax from 2012 through 2016.Number of counts: 5
Maximum prison sentence per count: 5 years
Maximum term of supervised release per count: 3 years
Maximum fine per count: $100,000, and a $100 “mandatory special assessment”Making false statements to a financial institution
Prosecutors charged Cohen with making false statements to a financial institution in connection with a credit decision from about February 2015 through about April 2016.Number of counts: 1
Maximum prison sentence per count: 30 years
Maximum term of supervised release per count: 5 years
Maximum fine per count: $1,000,000, and a $100 mandatory special assessmentUnlawful corporate contributions
Prosecutors charged Cohen with willfully causing an unlawful corporate contribution from about June 2016 through about October 2016.Number of counts: 1
Maximum prison sentence per count: 5 years
Maximum term of supervised release per count: 3 years
Maximum fine per count: $250,000, and a $100 mandatory special assessmentExcessive campaign contributions
Prosecutors charged Cohen with making an excessive campaign contribution on Oct. 27, 2016.Number of counts: 1
Maximum prison sentence per count: 5 years
Maximum term of supervised release per count: 3 years
Maximum fine per count: $250,000, and a $100 mandatory special assessment -
You folks really need to get over the question of whether a federal election law has been broken.
The established answer is simply "yes." Michael Cohen pleaded guilty and served jail time for it -- the federal crime has already been established.
This NY state "hush money trial" now is just trying to establish a connection between Trump "falsifying business records" and the federal crime for which Cohen served jail time.
wrote on 12 May 2024, 16:49 last edited by@Axtremus said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:
You folks really need to get over the question of whether a federal election law has been broken.
The established answer is simply "yes." Michael Cohen pleaded guilty and served jail time for it -- the federal crime has already been established.
This NY state "hush money trial" now is just trying to establish a connection between Trump "falsifying business records" and the federal crime for which Cohen served jail time.
You seem to be confusing Cohen with Trump. Cohen’s been convicted of a federal crime. Trump? No. In the US we have a concept of innocence until proven guilt. Trump has not been convicted, therefore is granted the presumption of innocence. These charges start with the assumption of guilt. That doesn’t fly in the US, and the legal precedent is against him being convicted on the Federal charges.
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@Axtremus said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:
You folks really need to get over the question of whether a federal election law has been broken.
The established answer is simply "yes." Michael Cohen pleaded guilty and served jail time for it -- the federal crime has already been established.
This NY state "hush money trial" now is just trying to establish a connection between Trump "falsifying business records" and the federal crime for which Cohen served jail time.
You seem to be confusing Cohen with Trump. Cohen’s been convicted of a federal crime. Trump? No. In the US we have a concept of innocence until proven guilt. Trump has not been convicted, therefore is granted the presumption of innocence. These charges start with the assumption of guilt. That doesn’t fly in the US, and the legal precedent is against him being convicted on the Federal charges.
wrote on 12 May 2024, 17:43 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:
That doesn’t fly in the US, and the legal precedent is against him being convicted on the Federal charges.
One "analyst" claims that there doesn't have to be a federal crime, only the intent to commit such crime - in this case, establishing an NDA to influence an election - which occurred before the NDA was paid out.
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@LuFins-Dad said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:
That doesn’t fly in the US, and the legal precedent is against him being convicted on the Federal charges.
One "analyst" claims that there doesn't have to be a federal crime, only the intent to commit such crime - in this case, establishing an NDA to influence an election - which occurred before the NDA was paid out.
wrote on 12 May 2024, 20:36 last edited by@George-K said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:
@LuFins-Dad said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:
That doesn’t fly in the US, and the legal precedent is against him being convicted on the Federal charges.
One "analyst" claims that there doesn't have to be a federal crime, only the intent to commit such crime - in this case, establishing an NDA to influence an election - which occurred before the NDA was paid out.
Great. Get the conviction and we’ll see what the Appellate Courts decide, both state then Federal.
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@George-K said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:
@LuFins-Dad said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:
That doesn’t fly in the US, and the legal precedent is against him being convicted on the Federal charges.
One "analyst" claims that there doesn't have to be a federal crime, only the intent to commit such crime - in this case, establishing an NDA to influence an election - which occurred before the NDA was paid out.
Great. Get the conviction and we’ll see what the Appellate Courts decide, both state then Federal.
wrote on 12 May 2024, 21:15 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:
Get the conviction and we’ll see...
If only a Federal Election Commission honcho could explain what laws might have been broken...
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@Axtremus said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:
You folks really need to get over the question of whether a federal election law has been broken.
The established answer is simply "yes." Michael Cohen pleaded guilty and served jail time for it -- the federal crime has already been established.
This NY state "hush money trial" now is just trying to establish a connection between Trump "falsifying business records" and the federal crime for which Cohen served jail time.
You seem to be confusing Cohen with Trump. Cohen’s been convicted of a federal crime. Trump? No. In the US we have a concept of innocence until proven guilt. Trump has not been convicted, therefore is granted the presumption of innocence. These charges start with the assumption of guilt. That doesn’t fly in the US, and the legal precedent is against him being convicted on the Federal charges.
wrote on 13 May 2024, 00:56 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:
You seem to be confusing Cohen with Trump. Cohen’s been convicted of a federal crime. Trump? No.
In this "hush money case," Trump is being tried on whether he has falsified business records to cover up crime committed by Cohen.
Forget about Trump and Cohen for a moment, just think generally on public policy: Are you of the opinion that Person A cannot be tried on whether Person A has committed illegal acts for trying to cover up a crime committed by Person B? Do you want a legal/justice system where any one can act to cover up crimes committed by another person with no legal repercussion?
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wrote on 13 May 2024, 01:22 last edited by
I'd like a Justice system that does not engage in lawfare, for the purpose of election interference.
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wrote on 13 May 2024, 01:31 last edited by jon-nyc
Actually what you seem to want is a world where Trump can do what he wants with impunity.
And you ain’t gonna get it.
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@LuFins-Dad said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:
You seem to be confusing Cohen with Trump. Cohen’s been convicted of a federal crime. Trump? No.
In this "hush money case," Trump is being tried on whether he has falsified business records to cover up crime committed by Cohen.
Forget about Trump and Cohen for a moment, just think generally on public policy: Are you of the opinion that Person A cannot be tried on whether Person A has committed illegal acts for trying to cover up a crime committed by Person B? Do you want a legal/justice system where any one can act to cover up crimes committed by another person with no legal repercussion?
wrote on 13 May 2024, 01:37 last edited by@Axtremus said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:
@LuFins-Dad said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:
You seem to be confusing Cohen with Trump. Cohen’s been convicted of a federal crime. Trump? No.
In this "hush money case," Trump is being tried on whether he has falsified business records to cover up crime committed by Cohen.
Forget about Trump and Cohen for a moment, just think generally on public policy: Are you of the opinion that Person A cannot be tried on whether Person A has committed illegal acts for trying to cover up a crime committed by Person B? Do you want a legal/justice system where any one can act to cover up crimes committed by another person with no legal repercussion?
The basis of this trial is an escalator charge. A misdemeanor that becomes a felony if committed while committing a secondary crime. An analogy might be a use of an illegal gun while committing a robbery. Having an illegal gun? Bad. Committing a robbery? Bad. Commit a robbery with an illegal weapon? Exponentially worse than the either of the individual weapons.
This case is like the. Trying to convict him for using the gun in a robbery when he’s not been charged for a robbery.
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wrote on 13 May 2024, 01:40 last edited by
All crime families are entitled to equal treatment under the law.
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@Axtremus said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:
@LuFins-Dad said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:
You seem to be confusing Cohen with Trump. Cohen’s been convicted of a federal crime. Trump? No.
In this "hush money case," Trump is being tried on whether he has falsified business records to cover up crime committed by Cohen.
Forget about Trump and Cohen for a moment, just think generally on public policy: Are you of the opinion that Person A cannot be tried on whether Person A has committed illegal acts for trying to cover up a crime committed by Person B? Do you want a legal/justice system where any one can act to cover up crimes committed by another person with no legal repercussion?
The basis of this trial is an escalator charge. A misdemeanor that becomes a felony if committed while committing a secondary crime. An analogy might be a use of an illegal gun while committing a robbery. Having an illegal gun? Bad. Committing a robbery? Bad. Commit a robbery with an illegal weapon? Exponentially worse than the either of the individual weapons.
This case is like the. Trying to convict him for using the gun in a robbery when he’s not been charged for a robbery.
wrote on 13 May 2024, 01:41 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:
Trying to convict him for using the gun in a robbery when he’s not been charged for a robbery.
Using the gun/robbery analogy, this case is like trying Trump for trying to get rid of the gun after Cohen used the gun to commit a robbery.
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Actually what you seem to want is a world where Trump can do what he wants with impunity.
And you ain’t gonna get it.
wrote on 13 May 2024, 01:43 last edited by@jon-nyc said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:
Actually what you seem to want is a world where Trump can do what he wants with impunity.
And you ain’t gonna get it.
No, I want a fair justice system, not the Just-us system.
You're not a stupid man. You know Trump's prosecution is timed and choreographed with help from the current White House.
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wrote on 13 May 2024, 01:59 last edited by jon-nyc
I know he’s shown a complete disregard for norms and the law unprecedented among presidents in the past.
If we can’t punish him for it, our legal system is broken.
Only non-witches get due process.
- Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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wrote on 13 May 2024, 02:05 last edited by
Then if you think you have something, do it the right way.
Or do the ends justify the means?
