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  • taiwan_girlT Offline
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    I dont know the "ins and outs", I did not think that this trail was about campaign laws, it was more about business transactions. I dont think that President Trump has ever said this was about his campaign, but I am not sure.

    On another note, do you think that President Trump will testify in this case? My guess is pretty much a NO. He is certainly a person that would do himself more harm than good I believe.

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    • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

      I dont know the "ins and outs", I did not think that this trail was about campaign laws, it was more about business transactions. I dont think that President Trump has ever said this was about his campaign, but I am not sure.

      On another note, do you think that President Trump will testify in this case? My guess is pretty much a NO. He is certainly a person that would do himself more harm than good I believe.

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      @taiwan_girl said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

      I did not think that this trail was about campaign laws, it was more about business transactions. I dont think that President Trump has ever said this was about his campaign, but I am not sure.

      That's right. Trump never said it. Bragg did.

      Also, remember the allegations that Bragg is proposing, at worst, are misdemeanors. The statute of limitations for that has long past. However, by adding those misdemeanors to ANOTHER crime it becomes a felony with a statute of limitations that's a year longer.

      As I said earlier, Bragg STILL hasn't told us what crime he's charging Trump with to make it the felony.

      do you think that President Trump will testify in this case

      You can bet he'd want to. If I were his lawyer, I'd threaten him with my resignation if he insists.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        @taiwan_girl said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

        I did not think that this trail was about campaign laws, it was more about business transactions. I dont think that President Trump has ever said this was about his campaign, but I am not sure.

        That's right. Trump never said it. Bragg did.

        Also, remember the allegations that Bragg is proposing, at worst, are misdemeanors. The statute of limitations for that has long past. However, by adding those misdemeanors to ANOTHER crime it becomes a felony with a statute of limitations that's a year longer.

        As I said earlier, Bragg STILL hasn't told us what crime he's charging Trump with to make it the felony.

        do you think that President Trump will testify in this case

        You can bet he'd want to. If I were his lawyer, I'd threaten him with my resignation if he insists.

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        @George-K said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

        As I said earlier, Bragg STILL hasn't told us what crime he's charging Trump with to make it the felony.

        That seems kind of weird. I cant believe that there are not rules that would allow a case to go to trial without charges???

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        • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

          @George-K said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

          As I said earlier, Bragg STILL hasn't told us what crime he's charging Trump with to make it the felony.

          That seems kind of weird. I cant believe that there are not rules that would allow a case to go to trial without charges???

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          @taiwan_girl said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

          That seems kind of weird. I cant believe that there are not rules that would allow a case to go to trial without charges???

          https://reason.com/2023/04/05/prosecutors-are-still-hazy-about-what-crime-trump-was-trying-to-conceal-by-falsifying-business-records/

          https://reason.com/2024/04/15/alvin-bragg-says-trump-tried-to-conceal-another-crime-what-crime/

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • George KG George K

            @taiwan_girl said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

            I did not think that this trail was about campaign laws, it was more about business transactions. I dont think that President Trump has ever said this was about his campaign, but I am not sure.

            That's right. Trump never said it. Bragg did.

            Also, remember the allegations that Bragg is proposing, at worst, are misdemeanors. The statute of limitations for that has long past. However, by adding those misdemeanors to ANOTHER crime it becomes a felony with a statute of limitations that's a year longer.

            As I said earlier, Bragg STILL hasn't told us what crime he's charging Trump with to make it the felony.

            do you think that President Trump will testify in this case

            You can bet he'd want to. If I were his lawyer, I'd threaten him with my resignation if he insists.

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            @George-K said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

            As I said earlier, Bragg STILL hasn't told us what crime he's charging Trump with to make it the felony.

            Indictment enumerates 34 COUNTS of "FALSIFYING BUSINESS RECORDS IN THE FIRST DEGREE, in violation of Penal Law §175.10" https://manhattanda.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Donald-J.-Trump-Indictment.pdf.

            About the "crimes" that the falsified business records have allegedly been made to conceal, see https://manhattanda.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/2023-04-04-SOF.pdf , also a court filing.

            This "Statement of Facts" ("SOF") document shows how the prosecutor ties the "falsifying business records" charges to other established "crimes" (these are adjudicated "federal crimes" for which Trump's former lawyer Michael Cohen has pleaded guilty and served jail time).

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              @Jolly said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

              Why do you think they put Stormy Weather on the stand today?

              Because Stormy is party to the hush money deal that is at the center of the allegations.
              You should be surprised and suspicious if Stormy is not put on the stand.

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              @Axtremus said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

              @Jolly said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

              Why do you think they put Stormy Weather on the stand today?

              Because Stormy is party to the hush money deal that is at the center of the allegations.
              You should be surprised and suspicious if Stormy is not put on the stand.

              Uh, no.

              The basis of this trial is how an expense with Cohen was billed.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                @Axtremus said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

                @Jolly said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

                Why do you think they put Stormy Weather on the stand today?

                Because Stormy is party to the hush money deal that is at the center of the allegations.
                You should be surprised and suspicious if Stormy is not put on the stand.

                Uh, no.

                The basis of this trial is how an expense with Cohen was billed.

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                @Jolly said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

                @Axtremus said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

                @Jolly said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

                Why do you think they put Stormy Weather on the stand today?

                Because Stormy is party to the hush money deal that is at the center of the allegations.
                You should be surprised and suspicious if Stormy is not put on the stand.

                Uh, no.

                The basis of this trial is how an expense with Cohen was billed.

                It's not just "any expense," but "specific expenses" tied to certain established "crimes," and those "crimes" involve payments to Stormy.

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                • George KG George K

                  Remember, this trial isn't about sex. If that were the case we'd be talking about JFK Clinton. It's about an NDA, which somehow they've managed to contort into an election finance violation - even though the event occurred a decade before the election.

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                  @George-K said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

                  Remember, this trial isn't about sex. If that were the case we'd be talking about JFK Clinton. It's about an NDA, which somehow they've managed to contort into an election finance violation - even though the event occurred a decade before the election.

                  The payment happened in 2006?

                  Only non-witches get due process.

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                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                    @George-K said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

                    Remember, this trial isn't about sex. If that were the case we'd be talking about JFK Clinton. It's about an NDA, which somehow they've managed to contort into an election finance violation - even though the event occurred a decade before the election.

                    The payment happened in 2006?

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                    @jon-nyc said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

                    The payment happened in 2006?

                    The affair happened in 2006.

                    Meanwhile, enjoy Lawrence O'Donnel giving Stormy an on-the-air tongue bath.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      That’s not the relevant event for the trial.

                      When did the hush-money payment happen?

                      Only non-witches get due process.

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                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                        That’s not the relevant event for the trial.

                        When did the hush-money payment happen?

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                        @jon-nyc said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

                        That’s not the relevant event for the trial.

                        Neither is what Trump was wearing in the room, and yet, we heard about it.

                        When did the hush-money payment NDA happen?

                        IIRC, 2015.

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          How about the hush money payment ?

                          Only non-witches get due process.

                          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                            How about the hush money payment ?

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                            @jon-nyc said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

                            How about the hush money payment ?

                            That's not illegal, is it?

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            • George KG George K

                              @jon-nyc said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

                              How about the hush money payment ?

                              That's not illegal, is it?

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                              @George-K said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

                              @jon-nyc said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

                              How about the hush money payment ?

                              That's not illegal, is it?

                              It comes back to the fact that he called it a business expense.

                              If (generic) you had an affair with a porn actor and then tried to expense it off to your business, I am guessing that is illegal. If he would have paid her with personal funds, this all wouldn't be happening.

                              I haven't heard anything about the other porn actor he paid off. Guessing it was not claimed as a business expense.

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                              • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                                @George-K said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

                                @jon-nyc said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

                                How about the hush money payment ?

                                That's not illegal, is it?

                                It comes back to the fact that he called it a business expense.

                                If (generic) you had an affair with a porn actor and then tried to expense it off to your business, I am guessing that is illegal. If he would have paid her with personal funds, this all wouldn't be happening.

                                I haven't heard anything about the other porn actor he paid off. Guessing it was not claimed as a business expense.

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                                @taiwan_girl said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

                                It comes back to the fact that he called it a business expense.

                                That's not been proven - yet.

                                Also, statute of limitations on that, even if proven, is long-expired. The only way it could be prosecuted is if it were 'tagged" onto another alleged crime. Remember that Bragg and the feds said there's no there there.

                                Also, an accountant said that Trump had no knowledge of how the money was entered in bookkeeping.

                                And, as I mentioned the judge has disallowed testimony from the person (former FEC chairman) who can testify as to what is a business expense, campaign expense, etc. By disallowing a defense witness, who is clearly an expert, that raises some serious questions about the judge's motivations.

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  Oh, I don't think there is any question about the judge's motivation.

                                  Bragg's either.

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  • George KG George K

                                    @taiwan_girl said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

                                    It comes back to the fact that he called it a business expense.

                                    That's not been proven - yet.

                                    Also, statute of limitations on that, even if proven, is long-expired. The only way it could be prosecuted is if it were 'tagged" onto another alleged crime. Remember that Bragg and the feds said there's no there there.

                                    Also, an accountant said that Trump had no knowledge of how the money was entered in bookkeeping.

                                    And, as I mentioned the judge has disallowed testimony from the person (former FEC chairman) who can testify as to what is a business expense, campaign expense, etc. By disallowing a defense witness, who is clearly an expert, that raises some serious questions about the judge's motivations.

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                                    @George-K said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

                                    Also, an accountant said that Trump had no knowledge of how the money was entered in bookkeeping.

                                    I agree. This is how I believe the situation happened.

                                    Trump aide: "Hey, that porn actor you had an affair with a few years ago is threatening to the news about it."

                                    Trump: "Which one are we talking about?"

                                    Trump aide: "Stormy Daniels."

                                    Trump: "Oh, Honey Bunch. Yeah, just pay that b*tch something to get her off my back."

                                    Trump aide: "will do"

                                    But ultimately, the buck has to stop somewhere. Ignorance is really not an excuse. (Of course this happens all the time)

                                    (However, there was a recent case where a US Fortune 100 company CEO "retired". Well, it turns out that a subsidiary was caught in the US FCPA and had to pay a huge fine to the US Justice Department. Did the CEO have knowledge of this? I doubt it, but he is at the top of the pyramid. Ignorance is not an excuse)

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                                    • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                                      @George-K said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

                                      Also, an accountant said that Trump had no knowledge of how the money was entered in bookkeeping.

                                      I agree. This is how I believe the situation happened.

                                      Trump aide: "Hey, that porn actor you had an affair with a few years ago is threatening to the news about it."

                                      Trump: "Which one are we talking about?"

                                      Trump aide: "Stormy Daniels."

                                      Trump: "Oh, Honey Bunch. Yeah, just pay that b*tch something to get her off my back."

                                      Trump aide: "will do"

                                      But ultimately, the buck has to stop somewhere. Ignorance is really not an excuse. (Of course this happens all the time)

                                      (However, there was a recent case where a US Fortune 100 company CEO "retired". Well, it turns out that a subsidiary was caught in the US FCPA and had to pay a huge fine to the US Justice Department. Did the CEO have knowledge of this? I doubt it, but he is at the top of the pyramid. Ignorance is not an excuse)

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                                      @taiwan_girl said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

                                      @George-K said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

                                      Also, an accountant said that Trump had no knowledge of how the money was entered in bookkeeping.

                                      I agree. This is how I believe the situation happened.

                                      Trump aide: "Hey, that porn actor you had an affair with a few years ago is threatening to the news about it."

                                      Trump: "Which one are we talking about?"

                                      Trump aide: "Stormy Daniels."

                                      Trump: "Oh, Honey Bunch. Yeah, just pay that b*tch something to get her off my back."

                                      Trump aide: "will do"

                                      But ultimately, the buck has to stop somewhere. Ignorance is really not an excuse. (Of course this happens all the time)

                                      (However, there was a recent case where a US Fortune 100 company CEO "retired". Well, it turns out that a subsidiary was caught in the US FCPA and had to pay a huge fine to the US Justice Department. Did the CEO have knowledge of this? I doubt it, but he is at the top of the pyramid. Ignorance is not an excuse)

                                      You've got a small problem... Please legally explain to me how you can bootstrap an expired state misdemeanor into a Federal election law felony?

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                        @taiwan_girl said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

                                        @George-K said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

                                        Also, an accountant said that Trump had no knowledge of how the money was entered in bookkeeping.

                                        I agree. This is how I believe the situation happened.

                                        Trump aide: "Hey, that porn actor you had an affair with a few years ago is threatening to the news about it."

                                        Trump: "Which one are we talking about?"

                                        Trump aide: "Stormy Daniels."

                                        Trump: "Oh, Honey Bunch. Yeah, just pay that b*tch something to get her off my back."

                                        Trump aide: "will do"

                                        But ultimately, the buck has to stop somewhere. Ignorance is really not an excuse. (Of course this happens all the time)

                                        (However, there was a recent case where a US Fortune 100 company CEO "retired". Well, it turns out that a subsidiary was caught in the US FCPA and had to pay a huge fine to the US Justice Department. Did the CEO have knowledge of this? I doubt it, but he is at the top of the pyramid. Ignorance is not an excuse)

                                        You've got a small problem... Please legally explain to me how you can bootstrap an expired state misdemeanor into a Federal election law felony?

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                                        @Jolly said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

                                        Please legally explain to me how you can bootstrap an expired state misdemeanor into a Federal election law felony?

                                        And how does the Manhattan DA have any jurisdiction with respect to Federal election law?

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        • George KG George K

                                          @Jolly said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

                                          Please legally explain to me how you can bootstrap an expired state misdemeanor into a Federal election law felony?

                                          And how does the Manhattan DA have any jurisdiction with respect to Federal election law?

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                                          @George-K said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

                                          @Jolly said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

                                          Please legally explain to me how you can bootstrap an expired state misdemeanor into a Federal election law felony?

                                          And how does the Manhattan DA have any jurisdiction with respect to Federal election law?

                                          Manhattan DA charges Trump with violation of NY law ("falsifying business records"), the alleged violations are connected to violations of federal election law -- "falsifying business records" with intend to cover up federal crimes. See https://nodebb.the-new-coffee-room.club/post/276982 .

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