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Trump prosecution may be fatally flawed.

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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
    wrote on last edited by
    #3

    Ok...What if...

    1. Bragg's case goes down in flames.
    2. Fanni folds.
    3. SCOTUS jerks the Jan 6 rug out from under the SP.

    Then, even a blind voter can see this was lawfare. A lot of people may
    not like Trump, but Americans are inherently fair. What happens?

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • MikM Away
      MikM Away
      Mik
      wrote on last edited by
      #4

      It could make me do something I really do not want to do.

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      • JollyJ Jolly

        Ok...What if...

        1. Bragg's case goes down in flames.
        2. Fanni folds.
        3. SCOTUS jerks the Jan 6 rug out from under the SP.

        Then, even a blind voter can see this was lawfare. A lot of people may
        not like Trump, but Americans are inherently fair. What happens?

        taiwan_girlT Offline
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        taiwan_girl
        wrote on last edited by
        #5

        @Jolly said in Trump prosecution may be fatally flawed.:

        Ok...What if...

        1. Bragg's case goes down in flames.
        2. Fanni folds.
        3. SCOTUS jerks the Jan 6 rug out from under the SP.

        Then, even a blind voter can see this was lawfare. A lot of people may
        not like Trump, but Americans are inherently fair. What happens?

        I will change some people view but not very many I dont think. I think that high majority of people at this time have a view of President Trump (positive or negative) that the above points will not change.

        Take yourself for example and the opposite occurs to the points you posted. President Trump is found guilty of every charge. The Supreme Court says that the Jan 6 charges were valid, and also indicates that President Trump bears responsibility. Will that change your mind about President Trump? Probably not. (Actually, no "probably" about it. LOL)

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        • JollyJ Offline
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          Jolly
          wrote on last edited by
          #6

          Lawfare .

          Do you consider that a proper tactic by the party in power, to win an election?

          Yes, or no?

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

          AxtremusA taiwan_girlT 2 Replies Last reply
          • JollyJ Jolly

            Lawfare .

            Do you consider that a proper tactic by the party in power, to win an election?

            Yes, or no?

            AxtremusA Away
            AxtremusA Away
            Axtremus
            wrote on last edited by
            #7

            @Jolly said in Trump prosecution may be fatally flawed.:

            Lawfare .

            No such thing.

            One cannot be excused by the law just by running in an election.

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            • AxtremusA Axtremus

              @Jolly said in Trump prosecution may be fatally flawed.:

              Lawfare .

              No such thing.

              One cannot be excused by the law just by running in an election.

              JollyJ Offline
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              Jolly
              wrote on last edited by
              #8

              @Axtremus said in Trump prosecution may be fatally flawed.:

              @Jolly said in Trump prosecution may be fatally flawed.:

              Lawfare .

              No such thing.

              One cannot be excused by the law just by running in an election.

              Yes, there is such a thing.

              Embrace reality, it will set you free.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • JollyJ Jolly

                Lawfare .

                Do you consider that a proper tactic by the party in power, to win an election?

                Yes, or no?

                taiwan_girlT Offline
                taiwan_girlT Offline
                taiwan_girl
                wrote on last edited by
                #9

                @Jolly said in Trump prosecution may be fatally flawed.:

                Lawfare .

                Do you consider that a proper tactic by the party in power, to win an election?

                Yes, or no?

                What is the definition of lawfare?

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                • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                  @Jolly said in Trump prosecution may be fatally flawed.:

                  Lawfare .

                  Do you consider that a proper tactic by the party in power, to win an election?

                  Yes, or no?

                  What is the definition of lawfare?

                  JollyJ Offline
                  JollyJ Offline
                  Jolly
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #10

                  @taiwan_girl said in Trump prosecution may be fatally flawed.:

                  @Jolly said in Trump prosecution may be fatally flawed.:

                  Lawfare .

                  Do you consider that a proper tactic by the party in power, to win an election?

                  Yes, or no?

                  What is the definition of lawfare?

                  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawfare

                  Or if you prefer a dictionary definition... https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/lawfare

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • taiwan_girlT Offline
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                    taiwan_girl
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                    #11

                    You are biasing yourself to say that President Trump is not guilty and did not commit any crimes. I don't think that you or I know this with certainty.

                    It is not uncommon to charge a famous person with a crime as an example. Being President does not exempt you from not committing a crime.

                    If a police officer is caught speeding, should he be able to avoid the ticket by telling the arresting office that he is also a police officer? If you do the crime, you do the consequences.

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                    • MikM Away
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                      Mik
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                      Your fallacy, TG, is the motivation for filing the charges. No other president, heck no other person I am aware of, has ever been slapped with such an array of dubious charges, nor have elected officials made prosecuting someone a platform for their election. This is political, plain and simple.

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      • George KG Offline
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                        George K
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                        #13

                        More from McCarthy:

                        https://www.nationalreview.com/2024/04/braggs-prosecution-of-trump-violates-new-york-states-constitution/


                        Ihave argued that former president Donald Trump’s prosecution in the so-called hush-money case brought by Manhattan’s elected progressive Democratic district attorney Alvin Bragg is offensive in various ways.

                        Bragg, an election denier, is trying to convict Trump of a crime that is not charged in the indictment — to wit, conspiracy to steal the 2016 election by suppressing negative information in violation of federal campaign law. This violates the Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution, which requires a felony charge to be spelled out in an indictment whose criminal elements have been established by probable cause to the satisfaction of a grand jury. Here, the problem is not just that there is no indication the grand jury was presented with an election-theft conspiracy offense; there is no such conspiracy crime in New York penal law. As a state prosecutor, moreover, Bragg has no jurisdiction to enforce federal law — as to which Congress vested “exclusive” criminal- and civil-enforcement authority, respectively, in the Justice Department and the Federal Election Commission.

                        Worse still is that Judge Juan Merchan is not just letting Bragg get away with this; he is consciously abetting the district attorney — thus adding heft to Trump’s claim that Merchan is deeply conflicted by political bias.

                        Nevertheless, the violation of Trump’s rights is even more basic.

                        Once one clears away the election-theft and federal-law underbrush, Trump is actually charged not with a conspiracy but with 34 substantive felony violations of a New York statute that makes it a crime to falsify business records with the fraudulent intent to conceal “another crime.”

                        What other crime? The penal statute in question doesn’t say. That’s a fatal problem because New York State’s constitution mandates that a statute must spell out any statutory terms it is incorporating. Under Article III, §16, of the state constitution, incorporation by reference is not permitted.

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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