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"The Bot will see you now."

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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
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    Are You Ready for AI to Be a Better Doctor Than You?


    In a 2023 study published in the Annals of Emergency Medicine, European researchers fed the AI system ChatGPT information on 30 ER patients. Details included physician notes on the patients’ symptoms, physical exams, and lab results. ChatGPT made the correct diagnosis in 97% of patients compared to 87% for human doctors.

    AI 1, Physicians 0
    JAMA Cardiology reported in 2021 that an AI trained on nearly a million ECGs performed comparably to or exceeded cardiologist clinical diagnoses and the MUSE (GE Healthcare) system›s automated ECG analysis for most diagnostic classes.

    AI 2, Physicians 0
    Google’s medically focused AI model (Med-PaLM2) scored 85%+ when answering US Medical Licensing Examination–style questions. That›s an «expert» physician level and far beyond the accuracy threshold needed to pass the actual exam.

    AI 3, Physicians 0
    A new AI tool that uses an online finger-tapping test outperformed primary care physicians when assessing the severity of Parkinson’s disease.

    AI 4, Physicians 0
    JAMA Ophthalmology reported in 2024 that a chatbot outperformed glaucoma specialists and matched retina specialists in diagnostic and treatment accuracy.

    AI 5, Physicians 0
    Should we stop? Because we could go on. In the last few years, these AI vs Physician studies have proliferated, and guess who’s winning?

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • HoraceH Offline
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      Horace
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      it’s just inevitable.

      Education is extremely important.

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      • LuFins DadL Offline
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        LuFins Dad
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        Our family physician was kinda pushing Luke away from medicine for exactly this reason. Luke decided on his field because he figured somebody still has to refill the machines and it’s probably going to be at least 1 more generation before people are comfortable with having a machine actually inject you, or letting the machines run autonomously.

        The Brad

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        • LuFins DadL Offline
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          LuFins Dad
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          He may have been wrong…

          The Brad

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          • George KG Offline
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            George K
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            When it comes to decision making, perhaps the AI might be superior. But, it all depends on input. Still takes a pair of hands to feel for a tender gallbladder - and THEN you get the CT scan which AI can interpret.

            Still takes a pair of hands to insert an IV, endotracheal tube, or internal jugular line.

            I think he's safe for a generation or two.

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • KlausK Offline
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              Klaus
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              #6

              But it's conceivable that doctors will only be involved in "difficult" cases and much of medical practice will be automated. For instance, instead of a doctor asking questions about symptoms, an AI expert system is asking the questions and suggesting medications and treatments.

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                But it's conceivable that doctors will only be involved in "difficult" cases and much of medical practice will be automated. For instance, instead of a doctor asking questions about symptoms, an AI expert system is asking the questions and suggesting medications and treatments.

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                @Klaus said in "The Bot will see you now.":

                But it's conceivable that doctors will only be involved in "difficult" cases and much of medical practice will be automated. For instance, instead of a doctor asking questions about symptoms, an AI expert system is asking the questions and suggesting medications and treatments.

                I don't think it's a good idea to let tech bros decide where and where not to implement AI into processes.

                Please love yourself.

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                • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                  @Klaus said in "The Bot will see you now.":

                  But it's conceivable that doctors will only be involved in "difficult" cases and much of medical practice will be automated. For instance, instead of a doctor asking questions about symptoms, an AI expert system is asking the questions and suggesting medications and treatments.

                  I don't think it's a good idea to let tech bros decide where and where not to implement AI into processes.

                  AxtremusA Offline
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                  @Aqua-Letifer said in "The Bot will see you now.":

                  I don't think it's a good idea to let tech bros decide where and where not to implement AI into processes.

                  More likely those decisions will be made by bean counters with MBAs, the money bros.

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                    @Axtremus

                    I don’t think the Bones McCoys of the world will be rendered obsolete anytime soon.

                    I do hope however that AI will do something about bean counters with MBAs degrading not only health care but everything else on which they latch their intrusive tentacles.

                    Elbows up!

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                    • jon-nycJ Offline
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                      What is diagnosis if not pattern recognition.

                      They’ll end up, after a lot of drama, with the same formula they use every time they have a trifecta: take away health care and food assistance from low income families and use the money to fund tax cuts for their donors.

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