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Duty, Honor, Country

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  • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

    Seems like a whole lot of controversy over nothing. (But, I was never in the US Army or West Point)

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    @taiwan_girl said in Duty, Honor, Country:

    (But, I was never in the US Army or West Point)

    I don't think we have ever had a West Point graduate (or even just a West Point dropout) on our midst. Kenny and OperaTenor and Frank W. served in the armed forces but not sure they served in the Army. (Definitely not OperaTenor, he was in the Navy.)

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    • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

      Seems like a whole lot of controversy over nothing. (But, I was never in the US Army or West Point)

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      @taiwan_girl said in Duty, Honor, Country:

      over nothing

      Tradition has some standing at the Military Academies.

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        In the last century, West Points mission statement has changed nine times.

        Many graduates will recall the mission statement they learned as new cadets did not include the motto, as Duty, Honor, Country was first added to the mission statement in 1998.

        As I said before, seems a whole lot of controversy over nothing.

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        • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

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          In the last century, West Points mission statement has changed nine times.

          Many graduates will recall the mission statement they learned as new cadets did not include the motto, as Duty, Honor, Country was first added to the mission statement in 1998.

          As I said before, seems a whole lot of controversy over nothing.

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          @taiwan_girl said in Duty, Honor, Country:

          As I said before, seems a whole lot of controversy over nothing.

          Apparently it is enough to repeat it.

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            Screw the woke bastards. God help us if we have a war that requires actual officers to lead our soldiers in combat, as compared to these Perfumed Princes who have punched their tickets and ass-kissed their way to power.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • AxtremusA Axtremus

              @taiwan_girl said in Duty, Honor, Country:

              (But, I was never in the US Army or West Point)

              I don't think we have ever had a West Point graduate (or even just a West Point dropout) on our midst. Kenny and OperaTenor and Frank W. served in the armed forces but not sure they served in the Army. (Definitely not OperaTenor, he was in the Navy.)

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              @Axtremus said in Duty, Honor, Country:

              @taiwan_girl said in Duty, Honor, Country:

              (But, I was never in the US Army or West Point)

              I don't think we have ever had a West Point graduate (or even just a West Point dropout) on our midst. Kenny and OperaTenor and Frank W. served in the armed forces but not sure they served in the Army. (Definitely not OperaTenor, he was in the Navy.)

              Kenny was navy too - carrier duty I think.

              Pretty sure Frank was Army - medic in the first Gulf War if I recall correctly

              Elbows up!

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              • RenaudaR Renauda

                @Axtremus said in Duty, Honor, Country:

                @taiwan_girl said in Duty, Honor, Country:

                (But, I was never in the US Army or West Point)

                I don't think we have ever had a West Point graduate (or even just a West Point dropout) on our midst. Kenny and OperaTenor and Frank W. served in the armed forces but not sure they served in the Army. (Definitely not OperaTenor, he was in the Navy.)

                Kenny was navy too - carrier duty I think.

                Pretty sure Frank was Army - medic in the first Gulf War if I recall correctly

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                @Renauda, now that you mention it, that sounds about right. Thanks!

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                  My "shrug" remains. A whole lot of nothing. LOL

                  @copper You mention that your West Point friends are upset with the change. Did they graduate pre 1998?

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                  • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

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                    My "shrug" remains. A whole lot of nothing. LOL

                    @copper You mention that your West Point friends are upset with the change. Did they graduate pre 1998?

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                    @taiwan_girl said in Duty, Honor, Country:

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                    My "shrug" remains. A whole lot of nothing. LOL

                    @copper You mention that your West Point friends are upset with the change. Did they graduate pre 1998?

                    These people are willing to die for what the believe. 80% of male graduates will be in a combat designated position, sometimes in their career. Since 9/11, West Point grads have died at a higher percentage rate than any other defined sector of the officer corps.

                    I may not always agree with them, but I respect the values that create such men and women.

                    Duty, Honor, Country.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • JollyJ Jolly

                      @taiwan_girl said in Duty, Honor, Country:

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                      My "shrug" remains. A whole lot of nothing. LOL

                      @copper You mention that your West Point friends are upset with the change. Did they graduate pre 1998?

                      These people are willing to die for what the believe. 80% of male graduates will be in a combat designated position, sometimes in their career. Since 9/11, West Point grads have died at a higher percentage rate than any other defined sector of the officer corps.

                      I may not always agree with them, but I respect the values that create such men and women.

                      Duty, Honor, Country.

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                      @Jolly I agree 100%+ with your first two paragraphs. There is no doubt that graduates of the military schools are very good people.

                      My point is that there seems to be this "controversy" about the West Point mission statement, It has changed greatly over time, so why the fuss now?

                      For example, during #2 World War and for years after, the mission statement was:

                      To Instruct and train the Corps of Cadets so that each graduate will have the qualities and attributes essential to his progressive and continued development throughout a lifetime career as an officer of the Regular Army

                      The above seemed to work during the biggest war of all time.

                      So, what is the big deal that they are changing it now? Would you be okay if they went back to the one I reference above? 🤷

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                        MacArthur.

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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