Trump loses in NY

[George K]

@George-K said in Trump loses in NY:

1. Why was there no jury? I've read conflicting reports that Trump's legal team decided not to request a jury trial and other saying that the judge wouldn't allow it (I'm skeptical of that claim).

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-trial-no-jury-fraud-new-york-judge-arthur-engoron/

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Former President Donald Trump did not request a jury for his New York civil fraud trial, but even if he had asked for one, the answer would've been "no," a judge said Wednesday.

Judge Arthur Engoron addressed an issue that had been the subject of speculation on social media and by Trump himself, saying it "keeps coming up," even though he doesn't "read the papers or go online to read about" the trial.

Engoron is presiding over the bench trial of a $250 million lawsuit filed in 2022 by New York Attorney General Letitia James, in which she accused Trump, two of his sons, their company and other executives of years of widespread fraud. Engoron said that in paperwork certifying that the case was ready for trial, James' office checked a box suggesting it be a non-jury proceeding.

Trump's team had 15 days to oppose that, but did not, Engoron said, because there was no point in doing so.

"It would not have helped to make a motion. Nobody forgot to check off a box," Engoron said....

Engoron earned the gratitude of one Trump lawyer who has insisted the lack of a jury was not due to an oversight.

"I would like to say thank you, your honor," said attorney Alina Habba, before turning to reporters in the gallery. "Press, did you hear that? I didn't forget to check the box."

[Jolly]

I misspoke.

Is it true that this statute was enacted after Trump announced his candidacy for the 2024 election?

The law was for the Carroll case.

[Mik]

When you've lost MSNBC... Tur makes very good points.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/msnbc-host-katy-tur-demands-is-this-fair-after-judge-fines-trump-bans-him-from-business-in-new-york/ar-BB1iqYLZ?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=71859852d31d490798056ca46037a4a8&ei=22

[Jolly]

Just remember, laws are enacted in red states, too.

[Jolly]

Musk asked a pretty good question: If nobody was hurt, who gets the money?

[George K]

@Jolly said in Trump loses in NY:

Musk asked a pretty good question: If nobody was hurt, who gets the money?

[George K]

No right to a jury in this case - sez the judge. There were no "boxes to be checked."

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/02/16/nyregion/trump-fraud-engoron-decision.html

Why, it's almost like we were lied to by the media.

[kluurs]

@George-K said in Trump loses in NY:

Why, it's almost like we were lied to by the media.

And other lawyers on social media.

[LuFins Dad]

I’ve got a hunch this is going to be challenged at the Federal level.

[George K]

@LuFins-Dad said in Trump loses in NY:

I’ve got a hunch this is going to be challenged at the Federal level.

Does he have standing at the Federal level?

[LuFins Dad]

Here’s the thing, most of this involved exaggerated property values, including Mar-A-Lago, no? So how does the state of NY determine property value on property from another state? This is an interstate commerce issue. That’s federal.

[George K]

@LuFins-Dad said in Trump loses in NY:

So how does the state of NY determine property value on property from another state?

That's right.

(too lazy to look it up)

Was Mar-a-Lago's valuation an issue in this trial? Searching the judge's ruling doesn't show Mar-a-Lago or Florida mentioned.

[George K]

[Axtremus]

Bet most of the pictures of the dolls and doll house are AI generated.
That video would have taken a long time if not outright impossible to do by a small shop without AI.

[Doctor Phibes]

[George K]

[Doctor Phibes]

The twat's spent his life boasting about how rich he is. Now he's going to claim poverty?

[Mik]

Rich and liquid are two very different things.

[George K]

He has to come up with the cash in 30 days.

[kluurs]

Thankfully he knows more than anyone about getting a loan.