Navalny dead
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@Wim said in Navalny dead:
Staying abroad would have resulted in political insignificance.
Yes.
Some might disagree, but political insignificance, to me, would be preferable to spending years in a Russian prison - where your political power is essentially zero, other than by reputation.
wrote on 16 Feb 2024, 22:50 last edited by@George-K said in Navalny dead:
Some might disagree, but political insignificance, to me, would be preferable to spending years in a Russian prison - where your political power is essentially zero, other than by reputation.
That would be your choice. He made it clear he was willing to die if necessary.
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@George-K said in Navalny dead:
Some might disagree, but political insignificance, to me, would be preferable to spending years in a Russian prison - where your political power is essentially zero, other than by reputation.
That would be your choice. He made it clear he was willing to die if necessary.
wrote on 16 Feb 2024, 23:04 last edited by@Wim said in Navalny dead:
@George-K said in Navalny dead:
Some might disagree, but political insignificance, to me, would be preferable to spending years in a Russian prison - where your political power is essentially zero, other than by reputation.
That would be your choice. He made it clear he was willing to die if necessary.
Yes, again.
He succeeded. And accomplished...what? Martyrdom?
He'll be erased and forgotten within
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wrote on 16 Feb 2024, 23:06 last edited by Renauda
"I also think that a murdered Alexei Navalny will be a bigger threat for the dictator than a living one," Akunin said. "Most likely, to drown out voices of protest, he (Putin) will launch a campaign of terror in the country."
Chilling
But Akunin is not exaggerating. He himself is on Putin’s hit list for “extremist propaganda” and there is a Russian warrant out for his arrest. He lives in exile in England. An hour ago I caught the tail of a BBC WS radio interview with Akunin. Very informative -,perhaps there will be a link posted with it on the BBC site. He was a close friend and associate of Navalny and saw the man’s transformation from a Russian nationalist to the champion of Russian liberal democracy he became following the murder of Nemtsov and others opposing Putin’s tyranny.
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@Wim said in Navalny dead:
@George-K said in Navalny dead:
Some might disagree, but political insignificance, to me, would be preferable to spending years in a Russian prison - where your political power is essentially zero, other than by reputation.
That would be your choice. He made it clear he was willing to die if necessary.
Yes, again.
He succeeded. And accomplished...what? Martyrdom?
He'll be erased and forgotten within
202 years.wrote on 16 Feb 2024, 23:11 last edited by RenaudaHe'll be erased and forgotten within 20 2 years.
Don’t confuse the apparent passivity of ordinary Russians with having short memories. That’s a Western trait. Russian people do not forget, but they do get even.
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He'll be erased and forgotten within 20 2 years.
Don’t confuse the apparent passivity of ordinary Russians with having short memories. That’s a Western trait. Russian people do not forget, but they do get even.
wrote on 16 Feb 2024, 23:13 last edited by@Renauda said in Navalny dead:
Don’t confuse the apparent passivity of ordinary Russians with having short memories. That’s a Western trait. Russian do not forget, but they do get even.
Fair point.
Any clue of how Navalny is perceived in Russia?
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wrote on 16 Feb 2024, 23:20 last edited by Renauda
Difficult for me to say. The repression is pretty severe and people are cowed into passivity almost as they were during the Brezhnev era.
What I can tell you is that among the pro Putin diaspora here, the Kremlin’s propaganda painting him as a CIA schill and moral degenerate has been very effective.
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wrote on 17 Feb 2024, 00:53 last edited by Renauda
Next jailed “enemy of the people” (vrag naroda) on Putin’s murder list: Vladimir Kara-Murza
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He'll be erased and forgotten within 20 2 years.
Don’t confuse the apparent passivity of ordinary Russians with having short memories. That’s a Western trait. Russian people do not forget, but they do get even.
wrote on 17 Feb 2024, 01:12 last edited by Doctor Phibes@Renauda said in Navalny dead:
Don’t confuse the apparent passivity of ordinary Russians with having short memories. That’s a Western trait. Russian people do not forget, but they do get even.
Funny you should say that, my Russian friend of some renown just posted "Не забудем! Не простим!", which the translator tells me means "Lest we forget! We will not forgive!" on his Facebook page.
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wrote on 17 Feb 2024, 01:25 last edited by jon-nyc
How long until TuCa makes some comment about omelettes and breaking eggs.
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wrote on 17 Feb 2024, 01:50 last edited by Renauda
@jon-nyc said in Navalny dead:
How long until TuCa makes some comment about omelettes and breaking eggs.
If he says “when you chop wood, chips fly” we will know for certain that he has been co-opted and is on the Kremlin payroll. Codename: Tucker Duranty
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@George-K said in Navalny dead:
I don't remember much about the documentary, but I never understood what Navalny decided to return to Russia.
What did he think would happen, Putin would engage in a discussion?
Staying abroad would have resulted in political insignificance.
wrote on 18 Feb 2024, 03:48 last edited by taiwan_girl@Wim said in Navalny dead:
@George-K said in Navalny dead:
I don't remember much about the documentary, but I never understood what Navalny decided to return to Russia.
What did he think would happen, Putin would engage in a discussion?
Staying abroad would have resulted in political insignificance.
I agree. A white paper I saw said the same thing. He felt so strongly about it, that it would not be right to talk about the hard times that Russians were going through with him living in a safe location outside of the country. He felt that his words would have more meaning and be more powerful if he was inside Russia.
I am not sure I would be strong enough to do that, but powerful that he did.
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wrote on 18 Feb 2024, 03:53 last edited by
Interesting that Nalvany dead is more effective than a live Joe Biden.
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wrote on 18 Feb 2024, 04:44 last edited by Renauda
Interesting that Nalvany dead is more effective than a live Joe Biden.
How so? Or better, just how do you connect Navalny’s death with Biden’s effectiveness in office? I hope you don’t think his death is about America or its current dysfunctional political scene.
But as an aside - yet at centre stage of American dysfunction- it has not gone unnoticed that Trump has yet to make any mention either by word or through his beloved social media regarding Navalny’s death. I would suggest the reticence to be just bit out of character for the attention craving big mouth. That, or Trump is waiting for the results of the Kremlin’s autopsy report so he can affirm that he has no reason not to believe what Mr. Putin tells the world about Navalny’s demise in state custody is true. Just like in Helsinki back in 2018 when Putin gave Trump the same verbal barrage and PsyOps treatment he gave that FuCa last week.
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wrote on 18 Feb 2024, 05:33 last edited by
Who do you think will be remembered more positively in 20 years by their fellow citizens?
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wrote on 18 Feb 2024, 15:25 last edited by Renauda
Okay go ahead, answer questions with questions.
I’ll tell you. It probably won’t be Trump or Putin.
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wrote on 18 Feb 2024, 15:26 last edited by
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He'll be erased and forgotten within 20 2 years.
Don’t confuse the apparent passivity of ordinary Russians with having short memories. That’s a Western trait. Russian people do not forget, but they do get even.
wrote on 18 Feb 2024, 15:29 last edited by Mik@Renauda said in Navalny dead:
He'll be erased and forgotten within 20 2 years.
Don’t confuse the apparent passivity of ordinary Russians with having short memories. That’s a Western trait. Russian people do not forget, but they do get even.
May that day be very, very soon. He deserves to die at the haNd of the people.
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There are a lot in of frozen Russian assets throughout the West that could be seized and sold off for reparations to Ukraine.
Just might happen now.
wrote on 18 Feb 2024, 15:34 last edited by@Renauda said in Navalny dead:
Just might happen now.
Might. If, after Russia invaded another country, the still have these assets, something tells me that it will not happen. It's only been 2 years...
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@Renauda said in Navalny dead:
He'll be erased and forgotten within 20 2 years.
Don’t confuse the apparent passivity of ordinary Russians with having short memories. That’s a Western trait. Russian people do not forget, but they do get even.
May that day be very, very soon. He deserves to die at the haNd of the people.
wrote on 18 Feb 2024, 15:37 last edited byMay that day be very, very soon. He deserves to die at the haNd of the people.
Not likely soon. Unlike past Russian autocrats and leaders, Putin makes sure Russians have easy access to food and that his fighting soldiers are comparatively well paid. So long as the people do not go hungry and his troops have cash, the national passivity will continue.