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  • AxtremusA Offline
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    Axtremus
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    #29

    Do you need a college degree?

    Four generations ago, merely knowing how to read was considered an enviable achievement; merely knowing how to do simple sums was considered an enviable achievement.

    Three generations ago, merely completing primary/elementary school (~6 years of formal education) was considered an enviable achievement.

    Two generations ago, merely completing high school (~12 years of formal education) was considered an enviable achievement.

    One generation ago, getting a Bachelor's degree (~16 years of formal education) was considered an enviable achievement.

    Now, looking at the current working-age population, having a Bachelor's degree is more a norm than an exception.

    Whether it's "college degree" or "vocational training" or "apprenticeship," the trend is that we need more and more systematic education/training to be competitive. "College" these days is merely a glorified extension of "high school." We are not going back to a world where "less education/training" will be enough to make one competitive on the labor market.

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    • AxtremusA Axtremus

      Do you need a college degree?

      Four generations ago, merely knowing how to read was considered an enviable achievement; merely knowing how to do simple sums was considered an enviable achievement.

      Three generations ago, merely completing primary/elementary school (~6 years of formal education) was considered an enviable achievement.

      Two generations ago, merely completing high school (~12 years of formal education) was considered an enviable achievement.

      One generation ago, getting a Bachelor's degree (~16 years of formal education) was considered an enviable achievement.

      Now, looking at the current working-age population, having a Bachelor's degree is more a norm than an exception.

      Whether it's "college degree" or "vocational training" or "apprenticeship," the trend is that we need more and more systematic education/training to be competitive. "College" these days is merely a glorified extension of "high school." We are not going back to a world where "less education/training" will be enough to make one competitive on the labor market.

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      George K
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      #30

      @Axtremus said in Massachusetts axes degree requirement for state jobs:

      Four generations ago, merely knowing how to read was considered an enviable achievement; merely knowing how to do simple sums was considered an enviable achievement.

      Here's something from 5 generations ago.

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      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • JollyJ Offline
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        Jolly
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        #31

        Just a side thought...Are we becoming increasingly successful at breeding stupid people?

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • George KG George K

          @Axtremus said in Massachusetts axes degree requirement for state jobs:

          Four generations ago, merely knowing how to read was considered an enviable achievement; merely knowing how to do simple sums was considered an enviable achievement.

          Here's something from 5 generations ago.

          image.jpeg

          CopperC Offline
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          Copper
          wrote on last edited by Copper
          #32

          @George-K said in Massachusetts axes degree requirement for state jobs:

          Here's something from 5 generations ago.

          That is beautiful.

          I think the average high school college graduate would have trouble scoring 10% or better.

          And I think a lot of answers have changed since that test was written, especially history.

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          • George KG George K

            @Axtremus said in Massachusetts axes degree requirement for state jobs:

            Four generations ago, merely knowing how to read was considered an enviable achievement; merely knowing how to do simple sums was considered an enviable achievement.

            Here's something from 5 generations ago.

            image.jpeg

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            #33

            @George-K That was interesting. In History - #10, what is a magnetic?

            @Copper I agree. There would be lots of questions from today's tests that would unanswerable to people back than.

            I am guessing however that the % of people who went to school back then and were in school long enough to take a test like that was probably somewhat small.

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            • JollyJ Offline
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              Jolly
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              #34

              Eighth Grade.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                #35

                And they're all dead now. Coincidence?

                I was only joking

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                • George KG George K

                  @Axtremus said in Massachusetts axes degree requirement for state jobs:

                  Four generations ago, merely knowing how to read was considered an enviable achievement; merely knowing how to do simple sums was considered an enviable achievement.

                  Here's something from 5 generations ago.

                  image.jpeg

                  AxtremusA Offline
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                  Axtremus
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                  #36

                  @George-K said in Massachusetts axes degree requirement for state jobs:

                  Here's something from 5 generations ago.

                  I can cite the Rig Veda from 1500 ~ 1000 BCE. Doesn't mean literacy was not rare back then.

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                  • JollyJ Offline
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                    Jolly
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                    #37

                    That's about the same time Samson lived.

                    Nice to see some things last. Jawbone of an ass, to be specific...

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • JollyJ Offline
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                      Jolly
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                      #38

                      More stuff...

                      https://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2024/01/23/why_college_students_average_iq_has_fallen_17_points_since_1939_1006608.html

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      • jon-nycJ Offline
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                        jon-nyc
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                        #39

                        I wonder how much is expanded access vs composition effect.

                        Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                          jon-nyc
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                          #40

                          My guess is the reversal of the Flynn effect, if it’s happening, is composition effect.

                          Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                            I'm not sure.

                            My pet theory is that computers and smart phones may be making us dumber...

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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