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Bonhomme Richard

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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
    wrote on last edited by George K
    #1

    https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/crews-battle-3-alarm-blaze-on-military-assault-ship/2363877/

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • George KG Offline
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      George K
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      #2

      @Jolly said in Bon Homme Richard:

      https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/crews-battle-3-alarm-blaze-on-military-assault-ship/2363877/

      Not good.

      Someone said that the ship might be a total loss.

      Link to video

      Live as of 7:30 CDT:

      Link to video

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • George KG Offline
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        George K
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        #3

        Link to video

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • taiwan_girlT Offline
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          taiwan_girl
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          #4

          Wow! Maybe you can keep the outside, but looks like it would have to be built again on the inside.

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          • George KG Offline
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            George K
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            #5

            Arson?

            https://www.npr.org/2020/08/27/906544699/navy-investigating-whether-fire-aboard-uss-bonhomme-richard-was-arson

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • jon-nycJ Online
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              jon-nyc
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              #6

              Can we just pause and appreciate the fact that the ship is named good man dick?

              Ok, now back to the fire.

              Only non-witches get due process.

              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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              • George KG Offline
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                George K
                wrote on last edited by
                #7

                Interesting reading about the failures that occurred.

                https://news.usni.org/2021/10/19/long-chain-of-failures-left-sailors-unprepared-to-fight-uss-bonhomme-richard-investigation-finds

                “Although the fire was started by an act of arson, the ship was lost due to an inability to extinguish the fire,” Conn wrote in his investigation, which was completed in April and reviewed by USNI News this week.
                “In the 19 months executing the ship’s maintenance availability, repeated failures allowed for the accumulation of significant risk and an inadequately prepared crew, which led to an ineffective fire response.”

                “In the last 5 years, policy changes and corrective actions to address fire safety were inconsistently implemented or failed to be implemented across the Navy maintenance organization… training, implementation, and compliance with the 8010 Manual in private shipyards was not representative of maintenance on nuclear vessels being executed in the public yards. Additionally, there was a lack of procedural compliance and effective oversight within the Naval Sea Systems Command (NAVSEA), Navy Installations Command, and Naval Surface Force Pacific Fleet,” Conn wrote.

                Investigators found that most sailors aboard Bonhomme Richard were not familiar with the updates to the 8010 manual.

                “These personnel had a general unfamiliarity with the content of the 8010 Manual and commented that their training had not prepared them to combat a fire of the magnitude having occurred aboard Bonhomme Richard,” according to the report.

                In a subsequent opinion, Conn said, “[t]he considerable similarities between the fire on USS Bonhomme Richard (LHD-6) and the USS Miami (SSN-755) fire of eight years prior are not the result of the wrong lessons being identified in 2012, it is the result of failing to rigorously implement the policy changes designed to preclude recurrence.”

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • George KG Offline
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                  George K
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                  Attack teams had trouble finding serviceable fire stations. In fact, 187 of the ship’s 216 fire stations – 87.5 percent – were in Inoperable Equipment Status condition at the time of the fire, the report said.

                  Several fire teams of sailors ventured to the Upper V and found hot spots but no fire. And as sailors began to lay hoses to attack the spreading fires, they encountered fire stations with missing fire hoses and broken hose fittings.

                  Worse, the ship’s installed AFFF systems weren’t put into action “in part because maintenance was not properly performed to keep it ready and in part because the crew lacked familiarity with capability and availability,” the lead investigator wrote. Many of the ship’s hatches and doors – a critical first line of defense to isolate a fire and slow the spread – couldn’t be shut without disconnecting temporary utilities in place for the maintenance availability work.

                  And there's much, much more in this clusterfuck.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • JollyJ Offline
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                    Jolly
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #9

                    But we're diverse!

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • JollyJ Jolly

                      But we're diverse!

                      George KG Offline
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                      George K
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                      #10

                      @jolly said in Bonhomme Richard:

                      But we're diverse!

                      Your government, at work:

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        Copper
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                        #11

                        Why do many Americans list pronouns on social media profiles?

                        I believe that is because they are all messed up.

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                        • CopperC Copper

                          Why do many Americans list pronouns on social media profiles?

                          I believe that is because they are all messed up.

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                          bachophile
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                          #12

                          @copper can we all agree that ships remain ״she”

                          I would feel very nervous sailing on ship which someone refers to as “he’s a splendid ship”

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                            @copper can we all agree that ships remain ״she”

                            I would feel very nervous sailing on ship which someone refers to as “he’s a splendid ship”

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                            @bachophile said in Bonhomme Richard:

                            can we all agree that ships remain ״she”

                            God, I hope so.

                            Bad enough we have to deal with "Hurricane Ralph."

                            Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                              kluurs
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                              #14

                              Hmm....the aircraft carrier Gerald Ford is "she"? Ship pronouns have been out of synch all along.

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                                Doctor Phibes
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                                Aircraft, on the other hand, must always remain female....

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                                I was only joking

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