Trump commutes Roger Stone’s sentence
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@xenon said in Trump commutes Roger Stone’s sentence:
@George-K said in Trump commutes Roger Stone’s sentence:
@xenon said in Trump commutes Roger Stone’s sentence:
It’s interesting because Trump has pardoned someone that is connected to his own enterprise.
That is the novel part of all this.
Did you not see my posts about FDR, Truman, Clinton, and Nixon?
Thomas Jefferson pardoned Erick Bollman for violations of the Alien and Sedition Act in the hope that he would testify against rival Aaron Burr for treason
Didn’t see that. What a corrupt legacy this power has.
Allies/cronies and employees (which is what I would characterize Stone as) - are still a bit different.
But not much distinction from a moral perspective, imo.
It’s. not corrupt. It’s a bunch of whining and complaining for political gain. No pardon or commutation of sentence amounted to crap in our history. You are worried about a washed up clown being let out of jail?
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@xenon said in Trump commutes Roger Stone’s sentence:
@Loki why do we bother ever putting a washed up clown in jail?
Because it is against the law to lie in certain circumstance and he did even if there was so much wrong with entire “Russian prostitutes peed on the US President Russian Agent” investigation. Startling sounding isn’t it?
So yeah he should have gone to the jail and the President has every right to commute his sentence, even if it is misguided. I think it’s poor judgement only keeping his “turnaround” in the toilet but that’s another matter.
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@Loki said in Trump commutes Roger Stone’s sentence:
@xenon said in Trump commutes Roger Stone’s sentence:
@Loki why do we bother ever putting a washed up clown in jail?
Because it is against the law to lie in certain circumstance and he did even if there was so much wrong with entire “Russian prostitutes peed on the US President Russian Agent” investigation. Startling sounding isn’t it?
So yeah he should have gone to the jail and the President has every right to commute his sentence, even if it is misguided. I think it’s poor judgement only keeping his “turnaround” in the toilet but that’s another matter.
My opinion was that it was the right thing to do, since the judge erred greatly in not calling a mistrial. The conviction stands, which is proper and justice has been served.
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@George-K
George stated above:
"People are calling this an 'impeachable offense.'"Well, that's the way the game is being played, isn't it.
It doesn't matter that for anyone with even half of a brain, it is obvious there is no legal intervention possible nullifying a presidential pardon. Sometimes I wish there were.But in the strategy of the radical Left, even "impeach him for this!" helps keep the TDS bell ringing. Gotta keep that bell ringing, so when it comes time to
pull the levervote by mail, the tendency will be to consider Trump so tainted, even sensible people will vote Biden + the real president. -
Is there a graph somewhere of how many times people talked about impeaching each particular President?
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@Larry said in Trump commutes Roger Stone’s sentence:
TG, I know you may not be feeling it right now, but I do like you and I don't mean to seem like I'm picking on you.
But no matter what is being discussed, your take on it is that there's no difference, everything equals out, nothing changes, etc.. You aren't open to that broad viewpoint might be wrong, even though following your logic to its conclusion, there's no point to anything, nothing anyone does matters, nothing has any effect on anything. And that just won't hold wzter.
Larry, thanks for your comments.
The point I am trying to make is the the US is very good about not letting the "pendulum " swing to far in either direction, and eventually things will "trend" back to the center.
I think the system in the US is such that this will happen.
When President Bush was elected (and re-elected), there were a number of people on the old forum board who thought the world was coming to an end. This was the end of the US for sure!!!!
When President Obama was elected (and re-elected), there were a number of people on this forum who thought that the world was coming to an end. This was the end of the US for sure!!!
When President Trump was elected, there were a number of people who thought that the world was coming to an end. This was the end of the US for sure!!!
I am an optimist and I think that the US is better than it was 50 years ago, and 25 years ago.
Overall quality of life I think is generally better. Of course, there are individual things that people think are worse (gun control, gay marriage, etc) but OVERALL, the quality of life is better.
The "check and balance" in the US does a good job of this. The US did not fall apart when President Bush was elected, nor did it when President Obama was elected, nor did it when President Trump was elected.
If people think that President Trump is moving in a way that the majority disagree with, they will elect Vice President Biden. If that happens, and after four years, the majority are happy with what he is doing, he will be re-elected. If not, the Republic candidate will elected. In either case, i do not think that the US will fall apart, etc.
I just have trouble agreeing that "OMG, the sky will fall" if so and so gets elected/re-elected (regardless of if that is President Trump or Vice President Biden).
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@taiwan_girl said in Trump commutes Roger Stone’s sentence:
I think that the US is better than it was 50 years ago, and 25 years ago
Brava!
And I can prove that about the US being better. My new washing machine has this little row of listed phases within the wash cycle, and when each phase is washing, a light goes on below the phase! In bright green! So you always know where the machine is at! If that isn't an improvement in US life, I don't know what is.
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@taiwan_girl said in Trump commutes Roger Stone’s sentence:
@Larry said in Trump commutes Roger Stone’s sentence:
TG, I know you may not be feeling it right now, but I do like you and I don't mean to seem like I'm picking on you.
But no matter what is being discussed, your take on it is that there's no difference, everything equals out, nothing changes, etc.. You aren't open to that broad viewpoint might be wrong, even though following your logic to its conclusion, there's no point to anything, nothing anyone does matters, nothing has any effect on anything. And that just won't hold wzter.
Larry, thanks for your comments.
The point I am trying to make is the the US is very good about not letting the "pendulum " swing to far in either direction, and eventually things will "trend" back to the center.
I think the system in the US is such that this will happen.
When President Bush was elected (and re-elected), there were a number of people on the old forum board who thought the world was coming to an end. This was the end of the US for sure!!!!
When President Obama was elected (and re-elected), there were a number of people on this forum who thought that the world was coming to an end. This was the end of the US for sure!!!
When President Trump was elected, there were a number of people who thought that the world was coming to an end. This was the end of the US for sure!!!
I am an optimist and I think that the US is better than it was 50 years ago, and 25 years ago.
Overall quality of life I think is generally better. Of course, there are individual things that people think are worse (gun control, gay marriage, etc) but OVERALL, the quality of life is better.
The "check and balance" in the US does a good job of this. The US did not fall apart when President Bush was elected, nor did it when President Obama was elected, nor did it when President Trump was elected.
If people think that President Trump is moving in a way that the majority disagree with, they will elect Vice President Biden. If that happens, and after four years, the majority are happy with what he is doing, he will be re-elected. If not, the Republic candidate will elected. In either case, i do not think that the US will fall apart, etc.
I just have trouble agreeing that "OMG, the sky will fall" if so and so gets elected/re-elected (regardless of if that is President Trump or Vice President Biden).
You are making an assumption that past performance is indicative of future performance. The fact is, never in our history have we faced a political party openly embracing a Marxist agenda, with a stated goal of tearing down the American way of life and replacing it with a whole different thing.
I understand your reasoning, and can see how you arrived at your opinion. But you a wrong just the same. First off, you are wrong when you say people said the world was ending If ______ gets elected regarding any president prior to Obama. Obama was the first president where that was a common claim about a president. And if you look at the results of him being elected it is completely clear the he IS responsible for setting things in motion to destroy the US. Hell, he even said that was his goal.
I'm happy you're such an optimist. Just don't be blind to reality.
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@Catseye3 said in Trump commutes Roger Stone’s sentence:
@taiwan_girl said in Trump commutes Roger Stone’s sentence:
I think that the US is better than it was 50 years ago, and 25 years ago
Brava!
And I can prove that about the US being better. My new washing machine has this little row of listed phases within the wash cycle, and when each phase is washing, a light goes on below the phase! In bright green! So you always know where the machine is at! If that isn't an improvement in US life, I don't know what is.
Hmm. seems a bit anecdotal.
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@Catseye3 said in Trump commutes Roger Stone’s sentence:
@taiwan_girl said in Trump commutes Roger Stone’s sentence:
I think that the US is better than it was 50 years ago, and 25 years ago
Brava!
And I can prove that about the US being better. My new washing machine has this little row of listed phases within the wash cycle, and when each phase is washing, a light goes on below the phase! In bright green! So you always know where the machine is at! If that isn't an improvement in US life, I don't know what is.
That’s nothing. Our plays a little patriotic song when done. Not sure why the South Koreans thought that would be important
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@Catseye3 said in Trump commutes Roger Stone’s sentence:
@taiwan_girl said in Trump commutes Roger Stone’s sentence:
I think that the US is better than it was 50 years ago, and 25 years ago
Brava!
And I can prove that about the US being better. My new washing machine has this little row of listed phases within the wash cycle, and when each phase is washing, a light goes on below the phase! In bright green! So you always know where the machine is at! If that isn't an improvement in US life, I don't know what is.
Wait until it breaks and you have to fix it.
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Thomas Sowell, famous economist who happens to be black, and who just turned 90(!), stated:
" “If the election goes to [Joe] Biden, there’s a good chance that the Democrats will control [Congress] and considering the kinds of things that they’re proposing, that could well be the point of no return for this country.”
When a black, genius-level IQ who has seen it all over a good part of a century has such concerns, people should listen.
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@Rainman Boy howdy. He's written quite a lot, Rainman. Including this: Basic Economics: A citizen's guide to economics, written for those who want to understand how the economy works but have no interest in jargon or equations. Sowell explains the general principles underlying different economic systems: capitalist, socialist, feudal, and so on. In readable language, he shows how to critique economic policies in terms of the incentives they create, rather than the goals they proclaim. . . . This is the first book for anyone who wishes to understand how the economy functions."
More of his books here: https://www.amazon.com/s?k=thomas+sowell&i=stripbooks&ref=nb_sb_noss_1
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@Rainman said in Trump commutes Roger Stone’s sentence:
Thomas Sowell, famous economist who happens to be black, and who just turned 90(!), stated:
" “If the election goes to [Joe] Biden, there’s a good chance that the Democrats will control [Congress] and considering the kinds of things that they’re proposing, that could well be the point of no return for this country.”
When a black, genius-level IQ who has seen it all over a good part of a century has such concerns, people should listen.
Hasn't anyone told him to be optimistic, because everything is the same and nothing ever changes?.....
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@Larry said in Trump commutes Roger Stone’s sentence:
You are making an assumption that past performance is indicative of future performance.
She has done nothing of the kind. That is your inaccurate interpretation.
She merely points out that there are plenty of examples of past political behavior, patterns, that are worth thinking about when we are speculating upon future possibilities. That's all -- a fairly innocuous observation. And at no point does she say nothing changes.
Your rigid dogmatism -- which never yields a single point -- insists on wrongfully telling her what she said, despite that she, not for the first time, comes back and tries to clarify her meaning.
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