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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
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    #67

    His approach to common sense was fun. However, that seems to have broadened to the same place that his haberdasher has. I mean, if you want to be taken seriously, don't dress like a clown.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • LuFins DadL Offline
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      LuFins Dad
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      #68

      I think the constant attacks from the left have driven him into this much more across the board conservative political position, he is where they have pushed him to be.

      I would like to see him go to the reeducation clinics and film them. Challenge them when necessary and appropriate.

      The Brad

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      • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

        I think the constant attacks from the left have driven him into this much more across the board conservative political position, he is where they have pushed him to be.

        I would like to see him go to the reeducation clinics and film them. Challenge them when necessary and appropriate.

        JollyJ Offline
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        Jolly
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        #69

        @LuFins-Dad said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

        I think the constant attacks from the left have driven him into this much more across the board conservative political position, he is where they have pushed him to be.

        I would like to see him go to the reeducation clinics and film them. Challenge them when necessary and appropriate.

        Absolutely. The video may do an epic amount of good.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

          I think the constant attacks from the left have driven him into this much more across the board conservative political position, he is where they have pushed him to be.

          I would like to see him go to the reeducation clinics and film them. Challenge them when necessary and appropriate.

          George KG Offline
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          George K
          wrote on last edited by
          #70

          @Renauda said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

          https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/exclusive-jordan-peterson-loses-fight-with-psychology-college-over-mandatory-social-media-training/wcm/996bd4ba-9061-4169-a1fd-845fabd1ae90/amp/

          Essentially the courts do not want to get involved in disputes between licensed professions and their regulatory colleges.

          Interesting take. Probably accurate too.

          @LuFins-Dad said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

          I would like to see him go to the reeducation clinics and film them

          He claims he will be recording the proceedings.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • HoraceH Offline
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            Horace
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            #71

            He doesn’t practice anymore, this is just about the principle. I am sure anybody can relate to the frustration of being held accountable by nameless faceless people who do not explain themselves and who have no obligation to do so. Reminds me of an HOA.

            Education is extremely important.

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            • HoraceH Horace

              He doesn’t practice anymore, this is just about the principle. I am sure anybody can relate to the frustration of being held accountable by nameless faceless people who do not explain themselves and who have no obligation to do so. Reminds me of an HOA.

              Doctor PhibesD Offline
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              Doctor Phibes
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              #72

              @Horace said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

              I am sure anybody can relate to the frustration of being held accountable by nameless faceless people who do not explain themselves and who have no obligation to do so.

              I happen to work in that area, and find your comments deeply offensive.

              I was only joking

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              • HoraceH Horace

                He doesn’t practice anymore, this is just about the principle. I am sure anybody can relate to the frustration of being held accountable by nameless faceless people who do not explain themselves and who have no obligation to do so. Reminds me of an HOA.

                RenaudaR Offline
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                Renauda
                wrote on last edited by Renauda
                #73

                @Horace

                I am sure anybody can relate to the frustration of being held accountable by nameless faceless people who do not explain themselves and who have no obligation to do so.

                That is how it is for regulated professions like psychologists, speech-language pathologists, occupational therapists, physio-therapists, physicians and surgeons, engineers, architects, geologists, barristers and solicitors, accountants and pharmacists to name but a few. Generally it is understood and accepted and in the case of health care professionals appreciated when employers attempt to assign duties and responsibilities upon their membership that is outside of their scope of practice. The regulatory college intervenes on behalf of its membership. All provincial regulatory colleges have set codes of conduct which the members must agree to adhere in order to maintain to their license to practice within the jurisdiction of the College.

                Dr. Peterson would not only know and understand this but would also accept it.

                Elbows up!

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                • RenaudaR Renauda

                  @Horace

                  I am sure anybody can relate to the frustration of being held accountable by nameless faceless people who do not explain themselves and who have no obligation to do so.

                  That is how it is for regulated professions like psychologists, speech-language pathologists, occupational therapists, physio-therapists, physicians and surgeons, engineers, architects, geologists, barristers and solicitors, accountants and pharmacists to name but a few. Generally it is understood and accepted and in the case of health care professionals appreciated when employers attempt to assign duties and responsibilities upon their membership that is outside of their scope of practice. The regulatory college intervenes on behalf of its membership. All provincial regulatory colleges have set codes of conduct which the members must agree to adhere in order to maintain to their license to practice within the jurisdiction of the College.

                  Dr. Peterson would not only know and understand this but would also accept it.

                  HoraceH Offline
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                  Horace
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #74

                  @Renauda said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

                  @Horace

                  I am sure anybody can relate to the frustration of being held accountable by nameless faceless people who do not explain themselves and who have no obligation to do so.

                  That is how it is for regulated professions like psychologists, speech-language pathologists, occupational therapists, physio-therapists, physicians and surgeons, engineers, geologists, barristers and solicitors, accountants and pharmacists to name but a few. Generally it is understood and accepted and in the case of health care professionals appreciated when employers attempt to assign duties and responsibilities upon their membership that is outside of their scope of practice. The regulatory college intervenes on behalf of its membership. All provincial regulatory colleges have set codes of conduct which the members must agree to adhere in order to maintain to their license to practice within the jurisdiction of the College.

                  Dr. Peterson would not only know and understand this but would also accept it.

                  None of that is a justification for an opaque process in which the authorities do not explain themselves.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                  • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                    Doctor Phibes
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                    #75

                    I'm pretty sure my employer would object strongly if I posted all the stuff that JP does under my own name.

                    I was only joking

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                    • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                      I'm pretty sure my employer would object strongly if I posted all the stuff that JP does under my own name.

                      HoraceH Offline
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                      Horace
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                      #76

                      @Doctor-Phibes said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

                      I'm pretty sure my employer would object strongly if I posted all the stuff that JP does under my own name.

                      It's a licensing board, not an employer. It would be more appropriate to say they work for him. Again not unlike an HOA.

                      Education is extremely important.

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                      • HoraceH Horace

                        @Renauda said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

                        @Horace

                        I am sure anybody can relate to the frustration of being held accountable by nameless faceless people who do not explain themselves and who have no obligation to do so.

                        That is how it is for regulated professions like psychologists, speech-language pathologists, occupational therapists, physio-therapists, physicians and surgeons, engineers, geologists, barristers and solicitors, accountants and pharmacists to name but a few. Generally it is understood and accepted and in the case of health care professionals appreciated when employers attempt to assign duties and responsibilities upon their membership that is outside of their scope of practice. The regulatory college intervenes on behalf of its membership. All provincial regulatory colleges have set codes of conduct which the members must agree to adhere in order to maintain to their license to practice within the jurisdiction of the College.

                        Dr. Peterson would not only know and understand this but would also accept it.

                        None of that is a justification for an opaque process in which the authorities do not explain themselves.

                        RenaudaR Offline
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                        Renauda
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #77

                        @Horace

                        None of that is a justification for an opaque process in which the authorities do not explain themselves..

                        Although I understand your position on the matter, the opaque process is justified through the respective provincial legislation that governs the mandate of each College. Dr. Peterson knows this and is free to petition his peers to introduce transparency to the process. The colleges are not run by provincial government appointees but by elected members of the profession by the membership at large. Likewise and as I stated already, Dr. Peterson would know this. Rather than crying to the law courts he should be petitioning the membership and seek election to his College’s BOD. If he has no support in such an endeavour then I would say it is not an issue that needs to be addressed.

                        Elbows up!

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                        • RenaudaR Renauda

                          @Horace

                          None of that is a justification for an opaque process in which the authorities do not explain themselves..

                          Although I understand your position on the matter, the opaque process is justified through the respective provincial legislation that governs the mandate of each College. Dr. Peterson knows this and is free to petition his peers to introduce transparency to the process. The colleges are not run by provincial government appointees but by elected members of the profession by the membership at large. Likewise and as I stated already, Dr. Peterson would know this. Rather than crying to the law courts he should be petitioning the membership and seek election to his College’s BOD. If he has no support in such an endeavour then I would say it is not an issue that needs to be addressed.

                          HoraceH Offline
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                          Horace
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #78

                          @Renauda said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

                          @Horace

                          None of that is a justification for an opaque process in which the authorities do not explain themselves..

                          Although I understand your position on the matter, the opaque process is justified through the respective provincial legislation that governs the mandate of each College. Dr. Peterson knows this and is free to petition his peers to introduce transparency to the process. The colleges are not run by provincial government appointees but by elected members of the profession by the membership at large. Likewise and as I stated already, Dr. Peterson would know this. Rather than crying to the law courts he should be petitioning the membership and seek election to his College’s BOD. If he has no support in such an endeavour then I would say it is not an issue that needs to be addressed.

                          This could be used as a boilerplate defense of any institutionalized bureaucratic nonsense. Meanwhile, the nonsense itself might be interesting to investigate and discuss, to the extent there are details to investigate or discuss.

                          Education is extremely important.

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                          • HoraceH Horace

                            @Renauda said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

                            @Horace

                            None of that is a justification for an opaque process in which the authorities do not explain themselves..

                            Although I understand your position on the matter, the opaque process is justified through the respective provincial legislation that governs the mandate of each College. Dr. Peterson knows this and is free to petition his peers to introduce transparency to the process. The colleges are not run by provincial government appointees but by elected members of the profession by the membership at large. Likewise and as I stated already, Dr. Peterson would know this. Rather than crying to the law courts he should be petitioning the membership and seek election to his College’s BOD. If he has no support in such an endeavour then I would say it is not an issue that needs to be addressed.

                            This could be used as a boilerplate defense of any institutionalized bureaucratic nonsense. Meanwhile, the nonsense itself might be interesting to investigate and discuss, to the extent there are details to investigate or discuss.

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                            Renauda
                            wrote on last edited by Renauda
                            #79

                            @Horace

                            The practice of Psychological Counselling is a regulated heath care profession. For good reason too I should think.

                            It’s what it is; not what others like you and I on the outside might think it is or think it should be.

                            Elbows up!

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                              Jolly
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                              #80

                              What would it take to license Peterson in the U.S.?

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              • JollyJ Jolly

                                What would it take to license Peterson in the U.S.?

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                                Renauda
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                                #81

                                @Jolly said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

                                What would it take to license Peterson in the in the U.S. in a province other than Ontario?

                                FIFY.

                                Dr. Peterson is well aware of the requirements for each province. He would have little problem opening a practice elsewhere other than Quebec, which likely has a French language proficiency requirement he would have to meet.

                                Elbows up!

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                                  Jolly
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #82

                                  Want him in Alberta?

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  • RenaudaR Renauda

                                    @Jolly said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

                                    What would it take to license Peterson in the in the U.S. in a province other than Ontario?

                                    FIFY.

                                    Dr. Peterson is well aware of the requirements for each province. He would have little problem opening a practice elsewhere other than Quebec, which likely has a French language proficiency requirement he would have to meet.

                                    HoraceH Offline
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                                    Horace
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #83

                                    @Renauda said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

                                    @Jolly said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

                                    What would it take to license Peterson in the in the U.S. in a province other than Ontario?

                                    FIFY.

                                    Dr. Peterson is well aware of the requirements for each province. He would have little problem opening a practice elsewhere other than Quebec, which likely has a French language proficiency requirement he would have to meet.

                                    He doesn't know exactly why his various tweets and conversations have run afoul of the public conduct rules. Whether the public conduct rules of other provinces would be violated would again be up to an opaque committee.

                                    Education is extremely important.

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                                    • JollyJ Jolly

                                      Want him in Alberta?

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                                      Renauda
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                                      #84

                                      @Jolly said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

                                      Want him in Alberta?

                                      Sure why not? He was born here and did his undergraduate here. I also believe that he is a good educator and clinician.

                                      Besides that we like him here:

                                      Elbows up!

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                                      • HoraceH Horace

                                        @Renauda said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

                                        @Jolly said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

                                        What would it take to license Peterson in the in the U.S. in a province other than Ontario?

                                        FIFY.

                                        Dr. Peterson is well aware of the requirements for each province. He would have little problem opening a practice elsewhere other than Quebec, which likely has a French language proficiency requirement he would have to meet.

                                        He doesn't know exactly why his various tweets and conversations have run afoul of the public conduct rules. Whether the public conduct rules of other provinces would be violated would again be up to an opaque committee.

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                                        Renauda
                                        wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                        #85

                                        @Horace

                                        Whether the public conduct rules of other provinces would be violated would again be up to an opaque committee.

                                        I am certain Dr. Peterson is well aware of that risk. A hazard of qualifying for and maintaining the status of a licensed health care professional.

                                        Elbows up!

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                                          #86

                                          Jordan Peterson speaks out:

                                          https://nationalpost.com/opinion/jordan-peterson-bureaucrats-will-rue-the-day-they-tried-to-shut-me-up

                                          Elbows up!

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