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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
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    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/trump-military-fears-rcna129159?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma&taid=65a3fdfdbfa495000187e4e9&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

    Donald Trump is sparking fears among those who understand the inner workings of the Pentagon that he would convert the nonpartisan U.S. military into the muscular arm of his political agenda as he makes comments about dictatorship and devalues the checks and balances that underpin the nation’s two-century-old democracy.

    A circle of appointees independent of Trump’s political operation steered him away from ideas that would have pushed the limits of presidential power in his last term, according to books they’ve written and testimony given to Congress. Most were gone by the end. In a new term, many former officials worry that Trump would instead surround himself with loyalists unwilling to say no.

    Trump has raised fresh questions about his intentions if he regains power by putting forward a legal theory that a president would be free to do nearly anything with impunity — including assassinate political rivals — so long as Congress can’t muster the votes to impeach him and throw him out of office.

    Now, bracing for Trump’s potential return, a loose-knit network of public interest groups and lawmakers is quietly devising plans to try to foil any efforts to expand presidential power, which could include pressuring the military to cater to his political needs.

    Those taking part in the effort told NBC News they are studying Trump’s past actions and 2024 policy positions so that they will be ready if he wins in November. That involves preparing to take legal action and send letters to Trump appointees spelling out consequences they’d face if they undermine constitutional norms.

    “We’re already starting to put together a team to think through the most damaging types of things that he [Trump] might do so that we’re ready to bring lawsuits if we have to,” said Mary McCord, executive director of the Institution for Constitutional Advocacy and Protection at Georgetown Law.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • MikM Offline
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      Mik
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      #2

      Like the military would go for that.

      "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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      • MikM Mik

        Like the military would go for that.

        George KG Offline
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        George K
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        @Mik said in ‘Dictatorial ways’:

        Like the military would go for that.

        Yeah, sounds insurrection-ey like a junta.

        "We have to defend the Constitution by ignoring it."

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • JollyJ Offline
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          Jolly
          wrote on last edited by
          #4

          Well, The Resident has been using the Just-us Department as his private political playpen.

          You know Mr. Biden, don't start no shit and there won't be no shit started.

          I don't think Mr. Trump can or would use the military for personal vendettas. I find it illuminating Mr. Trump's opponents think he would. I think that says volumes about them. Trump functions as a Rorschach Test once again.

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • MikM Offline
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            Mik
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            In many ways he plays them like a fiddle.

            "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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            • George KG George K

              https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/trump-military-fears-rcna129159?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma&taid=65a3fdfdbfa495000187e4e9&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

              Donald Trump is sparking fears among those who understand the inner workings of the Pentagon that he would convert the nonpartisan U.S. military into the muscular arm of his political agenda as he makes comments about dictatorship and devalues the checks and balances that underpin the nation’s two-century-old democracy.

              A circle of appointees independent of Trump’s political operation steered him away from ideas that would have pushed the limits of presidential power in his last term, according to books they’ve written and testimony given to Congress. Most were gone by the end. In a new term, many former officials worry that Trump would instead surround himself with loyalists unwilling to say no.

              Trump has raised fresh questions about his intentions if he regains power by putting forward a legal theory that a president would be free to do nearly anything with impunity — including assassinate political rivals — so long as Congress can’t muster the votes to impeach him and throw him out of office.

              Now, bracing for Trump’s potential return, a loose-knit network of public interest groups and lawmakers is quietly devising plans to try to foil any efforts to expand presidential power, which could include pressuring the military to cater to his political needs.

              Those taking part in the effort told NBC News they are studying Trump’s past actions and 2024 policy positions so that they will be ready if he wins in November. That involves preparing to take legal action and send letters to Trump appointees spelling out consequences they’d face if they undermine constitutional norms.

              “We’re already starting to put together a team to think through the most damaging types of things that he [Trump] might do so that we’re ready to bring lawsuits if we have to,” said Mary McCord, executive director of the Institution for Constitutional Advocacy and Protection at Georgetown Law.

              CopperC Offline
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              Copper
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              @George-K said in ‘Dictatorial ways’:

              devising plans to try to foil any efforts

              It's good that we have someone to protect the voters.

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              • George KG Offline
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                George K
                wrote on last edited by
                #7

                Remember, the "Deep State" is a myth.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • JollyJ Jolly

                  Well, The Resident has been using the Just-us Department as his private political playpen.

                  You know Mr. Biden, don't start no shit and there won't be no shit started.

                  I don't think Mr. Trump can or would use the military for personal vendettas. I find it illuminating Mr. Trump's opponents think he would. I think that says volumes about them. Trump functions as a Rorschach Test once again.

                  AxtremusA Offline
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                  @Jolly said in ‘Dictatorial ways’:

                  I don't think Mr. Trump can or would use the military for personal vendettas.

                  He could, he tried. See, for example, this statement by former Sec. Def. and former 4-star Marine Corp General James Mattis:

                  https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/03/politics/mattis-protests-statement/index.html

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                  • AxtremusA Axtremus

                    @Jolly said in ‘Dictatorial ways’:

                    I don't think Mr. Trump can or would use the military for personal vendettas.

                    He could, he tried. See, for example, this statement by former Sec. Def. and former 4-star Marine Corp General James Mattis:

                    https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/03/politics/mattis-protests-statement/index.html

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                    Jolly
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                    #9

                    @Axtremus said in ‘Dictatorial ways’:

                    @Jolly said in ‘Dictatorial ways’:

                    I don't think Mr. Trump can or would use the military for personal vendettas.

                    He could, he tried. See, for example, this statement by former Sec. Def. and former 4-star Marine Corp General James Mattis:

                    https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/03/politics/mattis-protests-statement/index.html

                    In other words you cannot use the military to protect civilians from murder, arson and beatings delivered by antifa and BLM rioters.

                    Okay ...

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • AxtremusA Axtremus

                      @Jolly said in ‘Dictatorial ways’:

                      I don't think Mr. Trump can or would use the military for personal vendettas.

                      He could, he tried. See, for example, this statement by former Sec. Def. and former 4-star Marine Corp General James Mattis:

                      https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/03/politics/mattis-protests-statement/index.html

                      George KG Offline
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                      George K
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #10

                      @Axtremus said in ‘Dictatorial ways’:

                      @Jolly said in ‘Dictatorial ways’:

                      I don't think Mr. Trump can or would use the military for personal vendettas.

                      He could, he tried. See, for example, this statement by former Sec. Def. and former 4-star Marine Corp General James Mattis:

                      https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/03/politics/mattis-protests-statement/index.html

                      Because wanting to call out the military to stop riots is a personal vendetta?

                      Try again.

                      Oh, and isn't the National Guard part of the military? I have vague recollections of them being called out to break up riots.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • George KG George K

                        @Axtremus said in ‘Dictatorial ways’:

                        @Jolly said in ‘Dictatorial ways’:

                        I don't think Mr. Trump can or would use the military for personal vendettas.

                        He could, he tried. See, for example, this statement by former Sec. Def. and former 4-star Marine Corp General James Mattis:

                        https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/03/politics/mattis-protests-statement/index.html

                        Because wanting to call out the military to stop riots is a personal vendetta?

                        Try again.

                        Oh, and isn't the National Guard part of the military? I have vague recollections of them being called out to break up riots.

                        JollyJ Offline
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                        Jolly
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #11

                        @George-K said in ‘Dictatorial ways’:

                        @Axtremus said in ‘Dictatorial ways’:

                        @Jolly said in ‘Dictatorial ways’:

                        I don't think Mr. Trump can or would use the military for personal vendettas.

                        He could, he tried. See, for example, this statement by former Sec. Def. and former 4-star Marine Corp General James Mattis:

                        https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/03/politics/mattis-protests-statement/index.html

                        Because wanting to call out the military to stop riots is a personal vendetta?

                        Try again.

                        Oh, and isn't the National Guard part of the military? I have vague recollections of them being called out to break up riots.

                        Not on January 6th. Trump offered them to Pelosi before the rally, but Pelosi had other plans...

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

                        George KG 1 Reply Last reply
                        • JollyJ Jolly

                          @George-K said in ‘Dictatorial ways’:

                          @Axtremus said in ‘Dictatorial ways’:

                          @Jolly said in ‘Dictatorial ways’:

                          I don't think Mr. Trump can or would use the military for personal vendettas.

                          He could, he tried. See, for example, this statement by former Sec. Def. and former 4-star Marine Corp General James Mattis:

                          https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/03/politics/mattis-protests-statement/index.html

                          Because wanting to call out the military to stop riots is a personal vendetta?

                          Try again.

                          Oh, and isn't the National Guard part of the military? I have vague recollections of them being called out to break up riots.

                          Not on January 6th. Trump offered them to Pelosi before the rally, but Pelosi had other plans...

                          George KG Offline
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                          George K
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #12

                          @Jolly said in ‘Dictatorial ways’:

                          Not on January 6th. Trump offered them to Pelosi before the rally, but Pelosi had other plans...

                          Desegregating schools

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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