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  • George KG George K

    @Horace said in Bidenomics At Work:

    To be sure, economists point to ... decisions from ... one political party. For instance, ... Joe Biden ... put stimulus money into the hands of millions of Americans ... and ... drove up the cost of goods and services.

    Welcome to Joe Biden's America.

    Interesting use of ellipses...

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    @George-K said in Bidenomics At Work:

    @Horace said in Bidenomics At Work:

    To be sure, economists point to ... decisions from ... one political party. For instance, ... Joe Biden ... put stimulus money into the hands of millions of Americans ... and ... drove up the cost of goods and services.

    Welcome to Joe Biden's America.

    Interesting use of ellipses...

    I'm studying to be a journalist.

    Education is extremely important.

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    • George KG George K

      From the RWEC: CBS.

      The typical American household must spend an additional $11,434 annually just to maintain the same standard of living they enjoyed in January of 2021, right before inflation soared to 40-year highs, according to a recent analysis of government data.

      Such figures underscore the financial squeeze many families continue to face even as the the rate of U.S. inflation recedes and the economy by many measures remains strong, with the jobless rate at a two-decade low. The analysis, from Republican members of the U.S. Senate Joint Economic Committee, taps government data such as the Consumer Price Index and Consumer Expenditure Survey to examine the impact of inflation state by state.

      Even so, many Americans say they aren't feeling those gains, and this fall more people reported struggling financially than they did prior to the pandemic, according to CBS News polling. Inflation is the main reason Americans express pessimism about economy despite its bright points, which also include stronger wage gains in recent years.

      To be sure, economists point to a number of pandemic-related issues as the cause of high inflation, rather than decisions from any one political party. For instance, spending bills were signed by both Presidents Donald Trump and Joe Biden that put stimulus money into the hands of millions of Americans, while global supply-chain snarls and labor shortages drove up the cost of goods and services.

      But even as inflation is now cooling rapidly, many consumers say they aren't feeling it, with a new Bankrate survey finding 60% of working Americans say their income has lagged inflation has over the past 12 months.

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        Isn't an ellipse when the sun goes away?
        Yes. Veeely interesting.

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        • RainmanR Rainman

          Isn't an ellipse when the sun goes away?
          Yes. Veeely interesting.

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          #124

          @Rainman said in Bidenomics At Work:

          the sun goes away

          welcome to Joe Biden's America.

          Education is extremely important.

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          • LuFins DadL Offline
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            #125

            Trump shares his fair share of the blame, but the article ignores that the bills were written and passed by Democrat controlled Congresses.

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            • AxtremusA Away
              AxtremusA Away
              Axtremus
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              #126

              https://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm
              https://wapo.st/4aNHOCg
              https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2024/01/05/december-jobs-unemployment/

              Economy added 216,000 jobs in December, capping off a year’s worth of solid gains

              The unemployment rate held at 3.7 percent.
              .
              As of December, the labor market added 2.7 million jobs in 2023, with an average monthly gain of 225,000 jobs. The unemployment rate has now remained below 4 percent for more than two years, a stretch last accomplished in the 1960s. Average hourly wage growth accelerated slightly in December, rising by 4.1 percent over the previous 12 months to $34.27 an hour and continuing to beat inflation, boosting workers’ spending power.

              Bidenomics is working well.

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                Jolly
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                #127
                1. We always add seasonal jobs this time of year.
                2. Take government jobs out of the figures and get back to me.

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • JollyJ Jolly
                  1. We always add seasonal jobs this time of year.
                  2. Take government jobs out of the figures and get back to me.
                  AxtremusA Away
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                  Axtremus
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                  @Jolly said in Bidenomics At Work:

                  1. We always add seasonal jobs this time of year.

                  The article gives you not only December figures, but also figures for the whole of 2023.

                  1. Take government jobs out of the figures and get back to me.

                  If you think that will make a meaningful difference, you show the work and explain why the difference is meaningful.

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                    LuFins Dad
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                    #129

                    Yay… Foreclosures are up 34%.

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                    • JollyJ Offline
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                      Jolly
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                      You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig.

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        LuFins Dad
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                        All these wonderful new jobs, yet the massive layoffs last year are still affecting employee moral and confidence…

                        https://www.cnbc.com/2024/01/03/2023-layoffs-will-continue-to-affect-workers-in-2024-report-says.html

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                        • AxtremusA Axtremus

                          @Jolly said in Bidenomics At Work:

                          1. We always add seasonal jobs this time of year.

                          The article gives you not only December figures, but also figures for the whole of 2023.

                          1. Take government jobs out of the figures and get back to me.

                          If you think that will make a meaningful difference, you show the work and explain why the difference is meaningful.

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                          LuFins Dad
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                          @Axtremus said in Bidenomics At Work:

                          @Jolly said in Bidenomics At Work:

                          1. We always add seasonal jobs this time of year.

                          The article gives you not only December figures, but also figures for the whole of 2023.

                          1. Take government jobs out of the figures and get back to me.

                          If you think that will make a meaningful difference, you show the work and explain why the difference is meaningful.

                          Did you actually read and comprehend the article you linked? 52K. 25% of the new jobs. They averaged 56K new jobs per month over the year, or 672K over the year.

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                            By the way, did you notice they also revised October numbers again? They’ve dropped it over 35% over the past two months.

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                            • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                              By the way, did you notice they also revised October numbers again? They’ve dropped it over 35% over the past two months.

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                              @LuFins-Dad said in Bidenomics At Work:

                              By the way, did you notice they also revised October numbers again? They’ve dropped it over 35% over the past two months.

                              They tend to do that, dont'cha know.

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              • George KG George K

                                @LuFins-Dad said in Bidenomics At Work:

                                By the way, did you notice they also revised October numbers again? They’ve dropped it over 35% over the past two months.

                                They tend to do that, dont'cha know.

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                                @George-K said in Bidenomics At Work:

                                @LuFins-Dad said in Bidenomics At Work:

                                By the way, did you notice they also revised October numbers again? They’ve dropped it over 35% over the past two months.

                                They tend to do that, dont'cha know.

                                Tale as old as time, but not 35% over 60 days... That’s a more recent story…

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                                  George K
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                                  #136

                                  WSJ: https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-welfare-industrial-complex-is-booming-3a7ad15c

                                  The Welfare-Industrial Complex Is Booming

                                  Allysia Finley is a member of the Journal's Editorial Board.

                                  Drill into the nation’s 3.7% unemployment rate, and you’ll find a growing welfare-industrial complex beneath the seemingly strong labor market. Government, social assistance and healthcare account for 56% of the 2.8 million net new jobs over the past year, and for nearly all gains in blue states such as New York and Illinois.

                                  The tens of thousands of migrants pouring into big cities need to be tended to. So do the hundreds of thousands of drug-addled and mentally ill homeless living on the streets. Progressive government doesn’t do anything on the cheap. America’s welfare state has thus become a proverbial Big Dig, and it keeps getting bigger.

                                  New York City is spending $394 a day—or $143,810 a year—to house and feed each migrant, many in formerly posh hotels. Mayor Eric Adams grouses about the flood of migrants, but what does he expect when the city makes itself a welfare magnet?

                                  Meantime, the homeless population continues to swell, even as government shovels more money into housing subsidies—nearly $43 billion in the Democrats’ March 2021 Covid bill alone. The number of homeless shot up 85,389 between 2019 and 2023, with California and New York combined accounting for about half the increase, according to a recent federal government report.

                                  A 2017 report from Orange County United Way, a nonprofit in Irvine, Calif., estimated that each chronically homeless person living on the streets and in emergency shelters costs the public $85,631 a year, largely owing to high healthcare expenses from repeat trips to the emergency room. The $837,000 Los Angeles is spending to build a single housing unit for the homeless almost appears frugal by comparison.

                                  Democratic Los Angeles City Councilman Kevin de León accused leftists of bribing vagrants to reject the city’s offer of temporary shelter. The self-proclaimed homeless advocates denied paying bribes, claiming they were merely seeking to protect homeless people’s right to “self-determination.”

                                  Such advocates—some supported by taxpayer dollars—have sued local governments to stop encampments from being cleared. During the Biden presidency, employment at “social advocacy organizations” has exploded. Every migrant, vagrant and endangered species apparently needs an advocate.

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                                  Public-choice theory assumes people are guided by their self-interest. Progressive government and the groups that feed on it have a vested interest in not solving pressing social problems. Treating mental illness and drug addiction, and getting the homeless into productive jobs, would mean fewer jobs for the welfare-industrial complex.

                                  It’s amusing, then, to hear Democratic leaders like Mr. Adams and Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson scapegoat migrants for their cities’ vagrancy and budget deficits. How do they explain Texas? The Lone Star State’s foreign-born population has increased by far more than New York’s over the past few years, yet it has 75% fewer homeless people than the Empire State.

                                  In October the Texas comptroller projected an $18.3 billion budget surplus. The state doesn’t have a budget deficit or a homeless problem because it doesn’t spend lavishly on welfare or tolerate public disorder. Migrants who arrive and stay in Texas can get jobs off the books that can support them, unlike in New York and Illinois, where there is less demand for labor.

                                  Migrants aside, the biggest money pit for Democrat-governed states is Medicaid. New York spends about 2.5 times as much per capita on Medicaid as Texas. The Empire State’s spending on the program in the past year alone increased by $13 billion—roughly what Mr. Adams projects migrants will cost his city over three years.

                                  More spending on Medicaid, migrants and the homeless means more jobs for the welfare-industrial complex. Government, social assistance and healthcare made up most, and in some cases more than all, of the net new jobs over the past year in California (61%), New Jersey (81%), Oregon (89%), Michigan (113%), Illinois (113%) and New York (121%).

                                  The last three states lost jobs in several industries, including manufacturing and tech, but they were more than offset by gains in government, social assistance and healthcare. These sectors made up a much smaller share of new jobs in Texas (34%), South Carolina (37%), Indiana (39%), Florida (41%) and Georgia (48%).

                                  Screenshot 2024-01-05 at 11.22.57 AM.png

                                  President Biden won’t admit it, but he has Republican states to thank for the increase in productive jobs in private industry. The administration’s bet is that government spending on welfare and entitlements can continue to power the U.S. labor market even as job growth in manufacturing, tech, retail and other industries flags. But social make-work projects don’t improve American living standards.

                                  Aside from two years of runaway inflation, one way to explain Americans’ malaise is that they sense most new jobs aren’t making them or most people they know better off. The main beneficiaries are workers in the welfare-industrial complex.

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    Jon Bell Edwards gave his departure speech this week. I think Edwards has been a mixed bag. He was able to get teachers a raise(sadly, not enough) and he's worked pretty well with the agriculture and oil industries.

                                    One thing he's proud of, but I think has hurt the state, is the expansion of Medicaid.

                                    Louisiana is a poor state, with a lot of poor inner city blacks and poor rural whites. All that poor runs into a lot of Medicaid money. I think we need to go back to the future, in Louisiana and other states with high Medicaid levels. We need a return to state-run healthcare facilities, functioning as HMO's for Medicaid patients. Hub (university hospitals) and spoke (healthcare clinics, scattered throughout the state), with a healthy dose of telemedicine continuing care.

                                    Of course, the second prong of the attack on high Medicaid levels is an aggressive jobs program. Training, entrepreneurial skills, business skills and tax policy can help people into better jobs. Better jobs mean higher incomes and less Medicaid costs.

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    • MikM Away
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                                      Mik
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                                      #138

                                      I can't disagree on the charity facilities. I think such a thing could find efficiencies you'd never be able to achieve in a for profit facility. Perhaps some difficulty in suing them would help.

                                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                        Behind their paywall...

                                        https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/inside-catastrophic-jobs-report-record-15-million-crash-full-time-jobs-multiple-jobholders

                                        While the prevailing post-payrolls narrative has focused on the surprisingly strong headline payrolls number (at 216K, this not only came above most estimates but was the highest in 4 months, denting the Fed's case for a March rate cut) and the far stronger than expected hourly earnings (which rose to 4.1%, but only because hours worked dropped again to 34.3, a level last seen in the pre-covid days from 34.4) and unchanged unemployment rate, which at 3.7% further makes the case for rate cuts quite challenging, a closer look at the details of today's jobs report reveals just how ugly the reality behind the the Budget-Busting Bidenomics truly is.

                                        Let's start with the now monthly revisions.

                                        Regular readers are aware that earlier this year we spotted a peculiar trend when it comes to economic data releases by the Biden admin which - without fail - had been revised lower...and this month was no different. In fact, as shown in the chart below, the jobs print from 10 of the past 11 months has been revised lower! Why? So that the White House can take credit for a strong number (one which also sparks algorithmic buying in the market) only to quietly revise it lower one and two months later when nobody is looking.

                                        image.jpeg

                                        But that's just the start. Next we turn to the numbers behind the headline job prints which were rather terrible: the monthly nonfarm payrolls (from the Establishment Survey) may have been weak at 216K but the far more accurate Household Survey showed that the number of Employed workers actually collapsed by an unprecedented 683K, the biggest drop since the US economy was shutdown by covid!

                                        image.jpeg

                                        Even scarier, while the monthly grind higher in the payrolls number (pulled from the far less accurate Establishment Survey) means that US jobs hit a record high every month with bizarre consistency and in December this was certainly the case, the total nonfarm employment number rose to an all time high 157.232 million, the abovementioned collapse in US Employment (per Household survey) meant that there were only 161.183 million employed people in the US, the lowest since June, with the now traditional divergence between these two surveys glaringly obvious in the chart below.

                                        image.jpeg

                                        ...

                                        Here, one look at this month's adjustment and it's literally a shocker: you will not hear anyone from the Biden admin, the mainstream media, or associated economist cheerleaders mention this, but the BLS reported that in December the number of full-time jobs plunged by 1.531 million to 133.2 million, the biggest monthly drop since the record covid crash of 14.7 million jobs!

                                        image.jpeg

                                        But wait, there's more, because going back to a quantitative read of the data, we look at the number of multiple jobholders - those workers who have to work more than one job at a time to make ends meet. In December, that number surged by 222K, and at 8.565 million was the highest print on record!

                                        image.jpeg

                                        But wait there's even more, because just as we enter the peak of election season and political talking points will be thrown around left and right, especially in the context of the immigration crisis created intentionally by the Biden administration (maybe the US can hold the presidential election in Honduras or Guatemala, after all it is their citizens that will be (illegally) casting the key votes in November), what we find is that in December, the number of native-born worker

                                        image.jpeg

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        • George KG George K

                                          Behind their paywall...

                                          https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/inside-catastrophic-jobs-report-record-15-million-crash-full-time-jobs-multiple-jobholders

                                          While the prevailing post-payrolls narrative has focused on the surprisingly strong headline payrolls number (at 216K, this not only came above most estimates but was the highest in 4 months, denting the Fed's case for a March rate cut) and the far stronger than expected hourly earnings (which rose to 4.1%, but only because hours worked dropped again to 34.3, a level last seen in the pre-covid days from 34.4) and unchanged unemployment rate, which at 3.7% further makes the case for rate cuts quite challenging, a closer look at the details of today's jobs report reveals just how ugly the reality behind the the Budget-Busting Bidenomics truly is.

                                          Let's start with the now monthly revisions.

                                          Regular readers are aware that earlier this year we spotted a peculiar trend when it comes to economic data releases by the Biden admin which - without fail - had been revised lower...and this month was no different. In fact, as shown in the chart below, the jobs print from 10 of the past 11 months has been revised lower! Why? So that the White House can take credit for a strong number (one which also sparks algorithmic buying in the market) only to quietly revise it lower one and two months later when nobody is looking.

                                          image.jpeg

                                          But that's just the start. Next we turn to the numbers behind the headline job prints which were rather terrible: the monthly nonfarm payrolls (from the Establishment Survey) may have been weak at 216K but the far more accurate Household Survey showed that the number of Employed workers actually collapsed by an unprecedented 683K, the biggest drop since the US economy was shutdown by covid!

                                          image.jpeg

                                          Even scarier, while the monthly grind higher in the payrolls number (pulled from the far less accurate Establishment Survey) means that US jobs hit a record high every month with bizarre consistency and in December this was certainly the case, the total nonfarm employment number rose to an all time high 157.232 million, the abovementioned collapse in US Employment (per Household survey) meant that there were only 161.183 million employed people in the US, the lowest since June, with the now traditional divergence between these two surveys glaringly obvious in the chart below.

                                          image.jpeg

                                          ...

                                          Here, one look at this month's adjustment and it's literally a shocker: you will not hear anyone from the Biden admin, the mainstream media, or associated economist cheerleaders mention this, but the BLS reported that in December the number of full-time jobs plunged by 1.531 million to 133.2 million, the biggest monthly drop since the record covid crash of 14.7 million jobs!

                                          image.jpeg

                                          But wait, there's more, because going back to a quantitative read of the data, we look at the number of multiple jobholders - those workers who have to work more than one job at a time to make ends meet. In December, that number surged by 222K, and at 8.565 million was the highest print on record!

                                          image.jpeg

                                          But wait there's even more, because just as we enter the peak of election season and political talking points will be thrown around left and right, especially in the context of the immigration crisis created intentionally by the Biden administration (maybe the US can hold the presidential election in Honduras or Guatemala, after all it is their citizens that will be (illegally) casting the key votes in November), what we find is that in December, the number of native-born worker

                                          image.jpeg

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                                          #140

                                          @George-K said in Bidenomics At Work:

                                          But wait there's even more, because just as we enter the peak of election season and political talking points will be thrown around left and right, especially in the context of the immigration crisis created intentionally by the Biden administration (maybe the US can hold the presidential election in Honduras or Guatemala, after all it is their citizens that will be (illegally) casting the key votes in November), what we find is that in December, the number of native-born worker

                                          You can blame me and other foreign workers for many things, but your shitty choice of political leaders isn't one of them.

                                          You did that to yourselves.

                                          I was only joking

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