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Do we have free will?

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    Sam Harris had made the most convincing arguments about lack of free will, much better than sapolsky. Also there’s really no need to make the leap from no free will to not having variable outcomes based on behavior (eg corner offices and jails).

    I read an earlier book by Sapolsky about human and primate behavior which was utterly fascinating.

    Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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      TULIP.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        Free will looses meaning without out the ability to pursue the will.

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        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

          Sam Harris had made the most convincing arguments about lack of free will, much better than sapolsky. Also there’s really no need to make the leap from no free will to not having variable outcomes based on behavior (eg corner offices and jails).

          I read an earlier book by Sapolsky about human and primate behavior which was utterly fascinating.

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          @jon-nyc said in Do we have free will?:

          Also there’s really no need to make the leap from no free will to not having variable outcomes based on behavior (eg corner offices and jails).

          He doesn’t land on that conclusion, he only brushes past it in his philosophical meanderings.

          Education is extremely important.

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            Free will looses meaning without out the ability to pursue the will.

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            @Copper said in Do we have free will?:

            Free will looses meaning without out the ability to pursue the will.

            Anna Nicole Smith pursued the will.

            Education is extremely important.

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            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

              Sam Harris had made the most convincing arguments about lack of free will, much better than sapolsky. Also there’s really no need to make the leap from no free will to not having variable outcomes based on behavior (eg corner offices and jails).

              I read an earlier book by Sapolsky about human and primate behavior which was utterly fascinating.

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              @jon-nyc said in Do we have free will?:

              Sam Harris had made the most convincing arguments about lack of free will, much better than sapolsky. Also there’s really no need to make the leap from no free will to not having variable outcomes based on behavior (eg corner offices and jails).

              I read an earlier book by Sapolsky about human and primate behavior which was utterly fascinating.

              I'm reading "Behave" right now. He's such a good writer.

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                Weird coincidence!

                Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                  I think of free will as a point of view, as a way to view the world. It's not a statement that is true or false.

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                    I think of free will as a point of view, as a way to view the world. It's not a statement that is true or false.

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                    @Klaus said in Do we have free will?:

                    I think of free will as a point of view, as a way to view the world. It's not a statement that is true or false.

                    It's free will or not, depending upon your current plane in the Multiverse.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      I chose not to post in this thread

                      I was only joking

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                        What about Free Wifi? Does that exist?

                        The Brad

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