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Meanwhile, at Harvard...

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  • RainmanR Offline
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    Woo is not Gay.
    (somebody had to say it,)

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    • HoraceH Online
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      Among the grossest tribal memes I've personally witnessed in my life was the marginalization of anybody who says they like free speech. But that was a thing, a year or so ago.

      Education is extremely important.

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      • George KG George K

        @jon-nyc said in Meanwhile, at Harvard...:

        FIRE President Greg Lukianoff with a principled take as you would expect.

        More from FIRE. A little less nuanced.

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        @George-K said in Meanwhile, at Harvard...:

        @jon-nyc said in Meanwhile, at Harvard...:

        FIRE President Greg Lukianoff with a principled take as you would expect.

        More from FIRE. A little less nuanced.

        She just resigned from UPenn's presidency, but keeps her tenured position at the law school.
        UPenn will be looking for a new President.

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          Adios, Liz...

          https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/careersandeducation/penn-president-elizabeth-magill-resigns-after-a-week-of-intense-backlash/ar-AA1lfZo6

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            #167

            Now, let's drag a few more college presidents to Congress.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • JollyJ Jolly

              Now, let's drag a few more college presidents to Congress.

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              @Jolly said in Meanwhile, at Harvard...:

              Now, let's drag a few more college presidents to Congress.

              Now you're for big government meddling in private schooling.

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              • JollyJ Offline
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                #169

                And you're for anti-semitism?

                Well, I was always told Asians were the biggest bigots on the face of the earth.

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • AxtremusA Axtremus

                  @Jolly said in Meanwhile, at Harvard...:

                  Now, let's drag a few more college presidents to Congress.

                  Now you're for big government meddling in private schooling.

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                  @Axtremus said in Meanwhile, at Harvard...:

                  Now you're for big government meddling in private schooling.

                  Me too!

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                  • JollyJ Jolly

                    Now, let's drag a few more college presidents to Congress.

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                    @Jolly said in Meanwhile, at Harvard...:

                    Now, let's drag a few more college presidents to Congress.

                    ...and let the markets and donor$ decide.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • AxtremusA Axtremus

                      @George-K said in Meanwhile, at Harvard...:

                      @jon-nyc said in Meanwhile, at Harvard...:

                      FIRE President Greg Lukianoff with a principled take as you would expect.

                      More from FIRE. A little less nuanced.

                      She just resigned from UPenn's presidency, but keeps her tenured position at the law school.
                      UPenn will be looking for a new President.

                      George KG Offline
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                      @Axtremus said in Meanwhile, at Harvard...:

                      She just resigned from UPenn's presidency, but keeps her tenured position at the law school.
                      UPenn will be looking for a new President.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • George KG George K

                        @Jolly said in Meanwhile, at Harvard...:

                        Now, let's drag a few more college presidents to Congress.

                        ...and let the markets and donor$ decide.

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                        @George-K said in Meanwhile, at Harvard...:

                        @Jolly said in Meanwhile, at Harvard...:

                        Now, let's drag a few more college presidents to Congress.

                        ...and let the markets and donor$ decide.

                        Pretty much.

                        This stuff has been headed downhill for over a decade. It should have corrected years ago. Universities should be about academic excellence first.

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        • JollyJ Jolly

                          @George-K said in Meanwhile, at Harvard...:

                          @Jolly said in Meanwhile, at Harvard...:

                          Now, let's drag a few more college presidents to Congress.

                          ...and let the markets and donor$ decide.

                          Pretty much.

                          This stuff has been headed downhill for over a decade. It should have corrected years ago. Universities should be about academic excellence first.

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                          @Jolly said in Meanwhile, at Harvard...:

                          Universities should be about academic excellence first.

                          And free and unrestrained exchange of ideas second.

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          • George KG George K

                            @Jolly said in Meanwhile, at Harvard...:

                            Universities should be about academic excellence first.

                            And free and unrestrained exchange of ideas second.

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                            @George-K said in Meanwhile, at Harvard...:

                            @Jolly said in Meanwhile, at Harvard...:

                            Universities should be about academic excellence first.

                            And free and unrestrained exchange of ideas second.

                            You can't have the former without the latter. And no I think colleges are epically failing in both.

                            Please love yourself.

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                              More from FIRE:

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                jon-nyc
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                                #177

                                Good for them.

                                Only non-witches get due process.

                                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                  Good for them.

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                                  @jon-nyc said in Meanwhile, at Harvard...:

                                  Good for them.

                                  In this fraught moment, colleges and universities must ensure student safety and well-being by taking action against violence, true threats, incitement, discriminatory harassment, and other unlawful activity.

                                  I would say that line is particularly fuzzy in these circumstances.

                                  Please love yourself.

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                                    #179

                                    Some say that about people who say trans women are not women.

                                    Who do you want to decide where that line is?

                                    Perhaps more importantly, who do you think will get to decide if we let it be drawn?

                                    Only non-witches get due process.

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                                      FIRE is of course right in its directional principles. It's just unclear whether this discussion leads towards, or away from, a single coherent standard of allowable free expression on campus.

                                      I think we were all getting used to the microaggression stuff being condemned, and now we're being asked to think clearly, because of course, thinking clearly is what people do. Left unsaid is that thinking clearly is what people do when the left's free expression is impinged upon. If it's the right being contained, then a handy moral panic will do for justification. Let's not be hasty with all the thinking, as long as a moral panic is sufficient to guide the history we want to be on the right side of.

                                      I know the principled people are reveling in their principles, but if there's no clear future where those principles are applied fairly, then the principles are not the only important part of the discussion. We need to consider the people who will be applying those principles.

                                      Education is extremely important.

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                                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                        Some say that about people who say trans women are not women.

                                        Who do you want to decide where that line is?

                                        Perhaps more importantly, who do you think will get to decide if we let it be drawn?

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                                        @jon-nyc said in Meanwhile, at Harvard...:

                                        Some say that about people who say trans women are not women.

                                        And some will say that burning a cross on your front lawn is protected speech.

                                        So, yeah, where's the line?

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        • George KG George K

                                          @jon-nyc said in Meanwhile, at Harvard...:

                                          Some say that about people who say trans women are not women.

                                          And some will say that burning a cross on your front lawn is protected speech.

                                          So, yeah, where's the line?

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                                          @George-K said in Meanwhile, at Harvard...:

                                          @jon-nyc said in Meanwhile, at Harvard...:

                                          Some say that about people who say trans women are not women.

                                          And some will say that burning a cross on your front lawn is protected speech.

                                          So, yeah, where's the line?

                                          Somewhere after microaggressions, might be the most common denominator.

                                          Education is extremely important.

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