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  • CopperC Offline
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    Copper
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    #2

    Follow the science

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    • George KG Offline
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      George K
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      #3

      The science says that the odds are more than remote that the fetus will survive for any length of time, and the quality of that survival will be dismal, at best.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • MikM Offline
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        Mik
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        #4

        Not to mention the potential of harm to the mother. It's a bit of a nightmare.

        "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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        • jon-nycJ Offline
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          jon-nyc
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          #5

          Cases like these are going to be a drag on the GOP nationwide. As well they should be.

          Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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          • JollyJ Offline
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            Jolly
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            #6

            I'd rather be right in God's eyes, than wrong in man's.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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              Doctor Phibes
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              #7

              I'd rather people who say they are Christian would show some human compassion rather than acting like ideologues. This poor woman is being put through needless additional suffering in what is already a terrible situation for her.

              As is the unborn child they claim to care so much about.

              I was only joking

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              • JollyJ Jolly

                I'd rather be right in God's eyes, than wrong in man's.

                RenaudaR Offline
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                Renauda
                wrote on last edited by Renauda
                #8

                @Jolly

                I'd rather be right in God's eyes, than wrong in man's.

                "God is a comedian playing to an audience that is too afraid to laugh" ~ Voltaire

                Elbows up!

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                • AxtremusA Axtremus

                  The narrative so far goes like this:

                  1. A Texas woman’s pregnancy is endangered in two ways: (a) the fetus has a fatal abnormality, (b) continuing the pregnancy threatens the woman’s health and future fertility — i.e., continuing the pregnancy means the woman will end up with a dead fetus/baby and will not be able to get pregnant again to try for a live child in the future. So a county judge allowed the abortion: https://www.texastribune.org/2023/12/07/texas-emergency-abortion-lawsuit/

                  2. Texas AG appealed to the Texas Supreme Court. So, for now, the Texas Supreme Court has temporarily stayed the lower court’s order and out every thing on hold. For now, the Texas Supreme Court is not ruling on the merit, the hold is just to give itself more time to consider the appeal. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/texas-abortion-ban-supreme-court-hold-kate-cox/

                  So, what say you?

                  • Allow the abortion?
                  • Disallow the abortion?
                  • Get the government out of this sort of thing!
                  • Say that the plaintiff and her medical experts are wrong or that there will be a miracle, that the fetus/baby will survive and/or the woman’s health and future fertility will be fine, thus there really is not a difficult choice to make anyway.
                  • Other opinions? Kindly elaborate.
                  RenaudaR Offline
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                  Renauda
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                  @Axtremus

                  So, what say you?

                  It’s solely the pregnant woman’s choice.

                  Elbows up!

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                  • HoraceH Offline
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                    Horace
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                    #10

                    I'm not clear why the court is disallowing it, as from the description this is explicitly within allowable parameters for an abortion. I'm also not clear why the woman isn't driving a few hours to get an abortion.

                    Education is extremely important.

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                    • HoraceH Horace

                      I'm not clear why the court is disallowing it, as from the description this is explicitly within allowable parameters for an abortion. I'm also not clear why the woman isn't driving a few hours to get an abortion.

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                      Renauda
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                      @Horace

                      I'm also not clear why the woman isn't driving a few hours to get an abortion.

                      That question crossed my mind as well. I am sure it is among her few options of choice in the matter.

                      Elbows up!

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                      • MikM Offline
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                        Texas law allows someone to sue you for doing so or for assisting someone to. I suspect that makes it more difficult to get an abortion in another adjoining state. Providers may be hesitant to get involved. I believe Oklahoma's law is about the same as Texas. not sure about Louisiana.

                        "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                        • jon-nycJ Offline
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                          jon-nyc
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                          #13

                          She’d probably have to drive two days from Dallas to find a state that allowed abortion at 20 weeks.

                          Also there are likely insurance issues involved.

                          Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                          • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                            I'd rather people who say they are Christian would show some human compassion rather than acting like ideologues. This poor woman is being put through needless additional suffering in what is already a terrible situation for her.

                            As is the unborn child they claim to care so much about.

                            JollyJ Offline
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                            Jolly
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                            #14

                            @Doctor-Phibes said in Abortion Case in Texas - court allowed, court blocked:

                            I'd rather people who say they are Christian would show some human compassion rather than acting like ideologues. This poor woman is being put through needless additional suffering in what is already a terrible situation for her.

                            As is the unborn child they claim to care so much about.

                            The people who are Christian commit money, blood, sweat and tears to those things they believe in. There is a lot of love and compassion out there, if you wish to see it.

                            I'm the original poster on this case, predating this thread by several days. This is a very hard choice. As George noted in the other thread, the prognosis for this baby is grim. Hence, the first ruling.

                            From a political viewpoint rather than a personal theological one, this type of case does pose problems for pro life people. But, what is the greater good?
                            Is it Jon's observation that abortion cases are political anathema for the GOP? Or can the GOP successfully point out that many states have what the rest of the world would consider some of the most liberal abortion laws in the world.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              jon-nyc
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                              #15

                              The pro choice side is literally undefeated in ballot initiatives since Dobbs.

                              Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                The pro choice side is literally undefeated in ballot initiatives since Dobbs.

                                CopperC Offline
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                                Copper
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                                #16

                                @jon-nyc said in Abortion Case in Texas - court allowed, court blocked:

                                The pro choice side is literally undefeated in ballot initiatives since Dobbs.

                                That's right, 7 States in all.

                                Apparently the other 43 states haven't had a problem with Dobbs.

                                But I have to admit the baby killers have done a great job getting out the message about the unbeaten streak.

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                                  jon-nyc
                                  wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
                                  #17

                                  Many are being planned for 2024 to GOTV.

                                  Straight out of Rove’s 2004 playbook, with him it was marriage referenda.

                                  Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                                  • JollyJ Jolly

                                    @Doctor-Phibes said in Abortion Case in Texas - court allowed, court blocked:

                                    I'd rather people who say they are Christian would show some human compassion rather than acting like ideologues. This poor woman is being put through needless additional suffering in what is already a terrible situation for her.

                                    As is the unborn child they claim to care so much about.

                                    The people who are Christian commit money, blood, sweat and tears to those things they believe in. There is a lot of love and compassion out there, if you wish to see it.

                                    I'm the original poster on this case, predating this thread by several days. This is a very hard choice. As George noted in the other thread, the prognosis for this baby is grim. Hence, the first ruling.

                                    From a political viewpoint rather than a personal theological one, this type of case does pose problems for pro life people. But, what is the greater good?
                                    Is it Jon's observation that abortion cases are political anathema for the GOP? Or can the GOP successfully point out that many states have what the rest of the world would consider some of the most liberal abortion laws in the world.

                                    RenaudaR Offline
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                                    Renauda
                                    wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                    #18

                                    @Jolly

                                    From a political viewpoint rather than a personal theological one, this type of case does pose problems for pro life people. But, what is the greater good?

                                    Respecting and facilitating the woman’s decision to terminate this pregnancy sooner rather than later for the sound medical and personal reasons presented before the courts.

                                    The greater good is served by recognizing her choice. It is not served by meddling in her personal health matters.

                                    Elbows up!

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                                    • CopperC Offline
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                                      Copper
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                                      #19

                                      Personal health is important.

                                      That includes the personal health of the baby.

                                      Her choice happened when she dropped her trousers.

                                      The baby hasn't made any choices yet.

                                      We can discuss rape if we have to, but that is a small subset, about 1% of pregnancies I believe.

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                                      • CopperC Copper

                                        Personal health is important.

                                        That includes the personal health of the baby.

                                        Her choice happened when she dropped her trousers.

                                        The baby hasn't made any choices yet.

                                        We can discuss rape if we have to, but that is a small subset, about 1% of pregnancies I believe.

                                        RenaudaR Offline
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                                        Renauda
                                        wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                        #20

                                        @Copper said in Abortion Case in Texas - court allowed, court blocked:

                                        Personal health is important.

                                        That includes the personal health of the baby.

                                        Her choice happened when she dropped her trousers.

                                        The baby hasn't made any choices yet.

                                        We can discuss rape if we have to, but that is a small subset, about 1% of pregnancies I believe.

                                        So you’ve decided the choices for everyone.

                                        Got it. Case closed. No point in any further discussion.

                                        Copper himself has decided the issue! This calls for a Te Deum to be sung.

                                        Elbows up!

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                                        • RenaudaR Renauda

                                          @Jolly

                                          From a political viewpoint rather than a personal theological one, this type of case does pose problems for pro life people. But, what is the greater good?

                                          Respecting and facilitating the woman’s decision to terminate this pregnancy sooner rather than later for the sound medical and personal reasons presented before the courts.

                                          The greater good is served by recognizing her choice. It is not served by meddling in her personal health matters.

                                          JollyJ Offline
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                                          Jolly
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                                          #21

                                          @Renauda said in Abortion Case in Texas - court allowed, court blocked:

                                          @Jolly

                                          From a political viewpoint rather than a personal theological one, this type of case does pose problems for pro life people. But, what is the greater good?

                                          Respecting and facilitating the woman’s decision to terminate this pregnancy sooner rather than later for the sound medical and personal reasons presented before the courts.

                                          The greater good is served by recognizing her choice. It is not served by meddling in her personal health matters.

                                          From whence is your morality and authority?

                                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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