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    xenon
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    #146

    I agree that there shouldn’t be speech codes - but there effectively are at many universities and it’s pretty obvious that they’re selectively applied.

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      Most Ivy League Schools Now Have Female Presidents

      Mildly interesting

      https://learningenglish.voanews.com/a/most-ivy-league-schools-now-have-female-presidents-/7179565.html#:~:text=And Claudine Gay is the,at the University of Pennsylvania.

      I wonder if a white male would have done any better.

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        Most Ivy League Schools Now Have Female Presidents

        Mildly interesting

        https://learningenglish.voanews.com/a/most-ivy-league-schools-now-have-female-presidents-/7179565.html#:~:text=And Claudine Gay is the,at the University of Pennsylvania.

        I wonder if a white male would have done any better.

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        George K
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        #148

        @Copper said in Meanwhile, at Harvard...:

        Most Ivy League Schools Now Have Female Presidents

        Mildly interesting

        Somewhere I read that Harvard's president has only 11 publications to her name. She's not an academician, she's a bureaucrat.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • George KG George K

          @Copper said in Meanwhile, at Harvard...:

          Most Ivy League Schools Now Have Female Presidents

          Mildly interesting

          Somewhere I read that Harvard's president has only 11 publications to her name. She's not an academician, she's a bureaucrat.

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          Copper
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          #149

          @George-K said in Meanwhile, at Harvard...:

          She's not an academician, she's a bureaucrat.

          OK, but how does she feel about climate change?

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          • CopperC Copper

            @George-K said in Meanwhile, at Harvard...:

            She's not an academician, she's a bureaucrat.

            OK, but how does she feel about climate change?

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            Horace
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            #150

            @Copper said in Meanwhile, at Harvard...:

            @George-K said in Meanwhile, at Harvard...:

            She's not an academician, she's a bureaucrat.

            OK, but how does she feel about climate change?

            She trusts the science.

            Education is extremely important.

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              Jolly
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              #151

              Get used to the female university presidents. Females are approaching 70% of Masters and around 55% of Doctorates.

              I think those percentages will increase.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                #152

                https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-67655910

                A major University of Pennsylvania donor has withdrawn a $100m (£79.3m) grant after a controversial appearance in congress by the school's president.
                President Elizabeth Magill met representatives alongside Harvard President Claudine Gay and Sally Kornbluth of MIT on Tuesday.
                But they caused anger after avoiding questions on how students calling for the genocide of Jews would be punished.
                The donor, Ross Stevens, said he was "appalled" by her stance.

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                • George KG Offline
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                  George K
                  wrote on last edited by George K
                  #153

                  The Congresswoman from New York in yesterday's WSJ:

                  https://www.wsj.com/articles/harvard-bans-cisheterosexism-but-shrugs-at-antisemitism-95a2c5d7?mod=hp_opin_pos_4#cxrecs_s

                  Paywalled, so here's the whole thing:


                  Opinion: Harvard Bans ‘Cisheterosexism’ but Shrugs at Antisemitism

                  College presidents are directly responsible for the hatred that has flourished on campus since Oct. 7.

                  But when I asked Harvard President Claudine Gay at a congressional hearing whether calls for the genocide of Jews violated the university’s rules on bullying and harassment, she answered: “It depends on the context.” Pressed further, she said it would qualify “when it crosses into conduct.” I received similar answers from the presidents of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and the University of Pennsylvania.

                  This lack of moral clarity is shocking. If only it were surprising. In the months since Oct. 7, the mainstreaming of anti-Jewish hate has been on full display at the poisoned Ivy League and other so-called elite schools, as has the gutless lack of response from university leaders. When 34 Harvard student groups signed a statement that they “hold the Israeli regime entirely responsible for all unfolding violence,” Ms. Gay and other Harvard leaders were silent for days.

                  Since then, we have heard reports of Jewish students being spat on, verbally accosted and, in a widely circulated video, physically assaulted. We’ve seen students march chanting “There is only one solution: Intifada revolution,” a call for violence against Israel. They follow that with a chant of “Globalize the Intifada,” implying that the hatred of Israel is a hatred of Jews everywhere, including on campus.

                  The Penn, Harvard and MIT presidents’ refusal to identify these calls for violence as policy violations is revealing, and their attempt to justify it with feigned concern for free speech is insulting. Just this year, Harvard placed dead last among 248 universities on the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression’s College Free Speech Rankings, receiving the only score of zero out of 100.

                  Where was Harvard’s concern for free speech when it disinvited feminist philosopher Devin Buckley from a colloquium on campus last year because of her views on transgender issues? Where was its concern for free speech in 2020 when it revoked conservative activist Kyle Kashuv’s acceptance because of social media posts he made as a 16-year-old, or in 2017 when it revoked admission for 10 incoming freshmen who shared offensive memes on Facebook? Apparently the same outrage doesn’t apply to students sharing antisemitic memes on Slack today, as Bill Ackman noted in his letter to Harvard last month.

                  While this hypocrisy is being exposed now, it has been festering for years. The failure to call out and punish those demanding the genocide of Jewish people is the consequence of decades of appeasement of radicalism and watering down of principle at our most hallowed institutions of higher education, which were founded as bastions of moral clarity and the pursuit of truth.

                  In March, Harvard student Sabrina Goldfischer presented her thesis, “The Death of Discourse: Antisemitism at Harvard College.” Her research details rampant antisemitism, including classmates questioning and playing down the Holocaust, a professor suggesting that a Jewish student had “bargaining in his blood” and antisemitic slurs shouted in Harvard Square. She found that 62.5% of Jewish students reported having experienced antisemitism or knowing someone who had.

                  The leaders of these universities want us to believe they face, through no fault of their own, a predicament for which they have no responsibility or accountability. In fact, they are directly responsible for the vile antisemitic hatred overrunning their campuses. For years they have selectively enforced their own policies to weed out certain viewpoints while fostering others, and now they are reaping the harvest.

                  The pathetic testimony of the Harvard, Penn and MIT presidents has been viewed more than a billion times worldwide, making it the most viewed congressional testimony in history—deservedly so, because it shocked the conscience of the world. The only acceptable consequence is that the boards immediately replace them with leaders who will restore moral clarity.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    Rainman
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                    #154

                    The last sentence is the appropriate action to take.
                    "The only acceptable consequence is that the boards immediately replace them with leaders who will restore moral clarity."

                    And if not, the question becomes why not. And under new leadership, the board needs to clarify policies that need review and clarification. Too bad it comes to this.

                    Actually, a lot of clarification would occur during the search process.

                    I was really shocked by their responses. I mean, WTF?

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                      LuFins Dad
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                      #155

                      Gay apologizes to Harvard students -

                      https://www.foxnews.com/politics/stefanik-blasts-harvard-president-over-apology-regarding-jewish-genocide-comments-asked-you-17x

                      "What I should have had the presence of mind to do in that moment was return to my guiding truth, which is that calls for violence against our Jewish community — threats to our Jewish students — have no place at Harvard, and will never go unchallenged," added Gay. "Substantively, I failed to convey what is my truth."

                      What the hell is all of this “my truth”?! Where did this bullshit come from? Truth is objective, not subjective. Can we please stop this crap?

                      The Brad

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                        Horace
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                        #156

                        She is a wise Black woman and I don't feel it is my place to judge her.

                        Education is extremely important.

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                        • HoraceH Horace

                          She is a wise Black woman and I don't feel it is my place to judge her.

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                          Aqua Letifer
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                          #157

                          @Horace said in Meanwhile, at Harvard...:

                          She is a wise Black woman and I don't feel it is my place to judge her.

                          Woo is racist unless it gives you points in the underdog olympics.

                          Please love yourself.

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                          • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                            @Horace said in Meanwhile, at Harvard...:

                            She is a wise Black woman and I don't feel it is my place to judge her.

                            Woo is racist unless it gives you points in the underdog olympics.

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                            Renauda
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                            #158

                            @Aqua-Letifer said in Meanwhile, at Harvard...:

                            Woo is racist unless it gives you points in the underdog olympics.

                            Who is Woo?

                            Elbows up!

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                            • RenaudaR Renauda

                              @Aqua-Letifer said in Meanwhile, at Harvard...:

                              Woo is racist unless it gives you points in the underdog olympics.

                              Who is Woo?

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                              Aqua Letifer
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                              @Renauda said in Meanwhile, at Harvard...:

                              @Aqua-Letifer said in Meanwhile, at Harvard...:

                              Woo is racist unless it gives you points in the underdog olympics.

                              Who is Woo?

                              He's on first.

                              Please love yourself.

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                              • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                                @Renauda said in Meanwhile, at Harvard...:

                                @Aqua-Letifer said in Meanwhile, at Harvard...:

                                Woo is racist unless it gives you points in the underdog olympics.

                                Who is Woo?

                                He's on first.

                                LuFins DadL Offline
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                                LuFins Dad
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                                @Aqua-Letifer said in Meanwhile, at Harvard...:

                                @Renauda said in Meanwhile, at Harvard...:

                                @Aqua-Letifer said in Meanwhile, at Harvard...:

                                Woo is racist unless it gives you points in the underdog olympics.

                                Who is Woo?

                                He's on first.

                                What?

                                The Brad

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                                  Jolly
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                                  #161

                                  He's on second.

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    George K
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                                    #162

                                    "Welcome to the party, dude!"

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      Rainman
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                                      #163

                                      Woo is not Gay.
                                      (somebody had to say it,)

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                                        Horace
                                        wrote on last edited by
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                                        Among the grossest tribal memes I've personally witnessed in my life was the marginalization of anybody who says they like free speech. But that was a thing, a year or so ago.

                                        Education is extremely important.

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                                        • George KG George K

                                          @jon-nyc said in Meanwhile, at Harvard...:

                                          FIRE President Greg Lukianoff with a principled take as you would expect.

                                          More from FIRE. A little less nuanced.

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                                          #165

                                          @George-K said in Meanwhile, at Harvard...:

                                          @jon-nyc said in Meanwhile, at Harvard...:

                                          FIRE President Greg Lukianoff with a principled take as you would expect.

                                          More from FIRE. A little less nuanced.

                                          She just resigned from UPenn's presidency, but keeps her tenured position at the law school.
                                          UPenn will be looking for a new President.

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