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A tour through the TDS afflicted mind

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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
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    #6

    Please describe how Trump is going to subvert democracy. Inquiring minds would like to know ...

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

      Horace, some day - doesn’t even have to be soon, but let’s say before next year’s election - could you address the substance of the overall concerns some people have about Trump subverting democracy? And how they might be especially acute in a second term? I mean address them substantively. Without the ad hominems and without answering questions with questions

      IOW, steel man the concerns and tell us why they’re unfounded.

      Again no hurry. But sometime in the next 12 months.

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      Horace
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      #7

      @jon-nyc said in A tour through the TDS afflicted mind:

      Horace, some day - doesn’t even have to be soon, but let’s say before next year’s election - could you address the substance of the overall concerns some people have about Trump subverting democracy? I mean without the ad hominems.

      Steel man the concerns and tell us why they’re unfounded.

      Again no hurry. But sometime in the next 12 months.

      The whole essay was an attempt to steel man those concerns. Do you think it missed any? Do you think I can't copy/paste from it?

      I read it pointedly, like I wanted the nuts and bolts of how Trump would become a dictator. I saw something about getting rid of the term limit amendment. Is that what keeps you up at night? Which part of the piece most resonated with you, jon?

      Education is extremely important.

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      • HoraceH Offline
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        Horace
        wrote on last edited by
        #8

        The parts about how Trumpists would overtake the institutions like the IRS or the justice department seemed particularly weak, and not in keeping with the evidence from his prior term.

        Education is extremely important.

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        • jon-nycJ Offline
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          jon-nyc
          wrote on last edited by
          #9

          I didn’t read it. But this post something you repeat periodically.

          Look at what these TDS people are worried about! Oh my the TDS! So TDS of them!

          So again, no hurry. When you get a chance.

          Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

            I didn’t read it. But this post something you repeat periodically.

            Look at what these TDS people are worried about! Oh my the TDS! So TDS of them!

            So again, no hurry. When you get a chance.

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            Horace
            wrote on last edited by
            #10

            @jon-nyc said in A tour through the TDS afflicted mind:

            I didn’t read it. But this post something you repeat periodically.

            Zoom out, label directionally, accuse of repetition. Oh, something jon does periodically. Yay, winnarz on the interwebz.

            Look at what these TDS people are worried about! Oh my the TDS! So TDS of them!

            So again, no hurry. When you get a chance.

            Again, the whole essay is a steel man of the position I'm responding to. To be clear, you want me to take an 8500 word essay and expand on it, from the author's perspective? Or did you want me to prove my reading comprehension of hysteria porn? I guess you'll never read it, but it would be fun seeing your answer to which part of it resonated with you most strongly.

            Education is extremely important.

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              jon-nyc
              wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
              #11

              Again, no hurry. It’s not a reasonable thing to request in the moment. But you seem to think concerns about Trump being a threat to our democracy are ‘hysterical’, ‘deranged’, etc. Not just from this guy, it’s a common theme of yours that dates back to before the 2020 election.

              At some point you should calmly tell us why.

              Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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              • George KG Offline
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                George K
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                #12
                1. Trump is a threat to democracy
                2. No he's not
                3. Rather than explaining why #1 is true, tell us why #2 is true.

                Is that the argument?

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                  Again, no hurry. It’s not a reasonable thing to request in the moment. But you seem to think concerns about Trump being a threat to our democracy are ‘hysterical’, ‘deranged’, etc. Not just from this guy, it’s a common theme of yours that dates back to before the 2020 election.

                  At some point you should calmly tell us why.

                  HoraceH Offline
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                  Horace
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #13

                  @jon-nyc said in A tour through the TDS afflicted mind:

                  Again, no hurry. It’s not a reasonable thing to request in the moment. But you seem to think concerns about Trump being a threat to our democracy are ‘hysterical’, ‘deranged’, etc. At some point you should calmly tell us why.

                  Thank you for the posturing as the adult in the room. another thing you do periodically and oh so well. The null hypothesis is that a Trump presidency will not lead to a dictatorship. The burden of the argument would be on the people claiming dictatorship around the corner. The argument for that dictatorship was laid out in 8500 words. I'll tell you what. Lift a brain cell, read the piece, and point me to something in it you'd like me to respond to.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                    jon-nyc
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                    #14

                    I specifically asked not to answer it with questions. Presumably if one has posted many times over four years that such concerns are - not just unfounded but deranged and hysterical - one has given it some thought and can explain his conclusions.

                    At least Horace. I wouldn’t make such a request of certain others.

                    Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                    • HoraceH Horace

                      @jon-nyc said in A tour through the TDS afflicted mind:

                      Again, no hurry. It’s not a reasonable thing to request in the moment. But you seem to think concerns about Trump being a threat to our democracy are ‘hysterical’, ‘deranged’, etc. At some point you should calmly tell us why.

                      Thank you for the posturing as the adult in the room. another thing you do periodically and oh so well. The null hypothesis is that a Trump presidency will not lead to a dictatorship. The burden of the argument would be on the people claiming dictatorship around the corner. The argument for that dictatorship was laid out in 8500 words. I'll tell you what. Lift a brain cell, read the piece, and point me to something in it you'd like me to respond to.

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                      @Horace said in A tour through the TDS afflicted mind:

                      adult in the room

                      ad hominem

                      magat

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                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                        I specifically asked not to answer it with questions. Presumably if one has posted many times over four years that such concerns are - not just unfounded but deranged and hysterical - one has given it some thought and can explain his conclusions.

                        At least Horace. I wouldn’t make such a request of certain others.

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                        Horace
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #16

                        @jon-nyc said in A tour through the TDS afflicted mind:

                        I specifically asked not to answer it with questions. Presumably if one has posted many times over four years that such concerns are - not just unfounded but deranged and hysterical - one has given it some thought and can explain his conclusions.

                        At least Horace. I wouldn’t make such a request of certain others.

                        Given what, specifically, some thought? Actually I've written here a few times that I'd love to see a story written about hypothetical scenarios in which Trump gains control of America. I would love to see people thinking about closing whatever loopholes exist. If a bad actor president can just take control if he chooses to, then obviously it's in everybody's best interest to do something about that. But as it is, the hysteria takes the shape of Trump Terrifying, with little substance to think about. That's why I actually took the time to read these 8500 words.

                        Education is extremely important.

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                          jon-nyc
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #17

                          Meh. We went much deeper than that even leading up to the 2020 election. Once I even specifically brought up the idea of him conjuring up a slate of competing electors. You simply dismissed it out of faith that such a thing must be impossible.

                          But how deranged did such a concern turn out to be?

                          Again, this is just an example.

                          Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                            Meh. We went much deeper than that even leading up to the 2020 election. Once I even specifically brought up the idea of him conjuring up a slate of competing electors. You simply dismissed it out of faith that such a thing must be impossible.

                            But how deranged did such a concern turn out to be?

                            Again, this is just an example.

                            HoraceH Offline
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                            Horace
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #18

                            @jon-nyc said in A tour through the TDS afflicted mind:

                            Meh. We went much deeper than that even leading up to the 2020 election. Once I even specifically brought up the idea of him conjuring up a slate of competing electors. You simply dismissed it out of faith that such a thing must be impossible.

                            But how deranged did such a concern turn out to be?

                            Again, this is just an example.

                            That would have led to a supreme court smack down, from the attempts I've heard of people trying to take that seriously.

                            Education is extremely important.

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                              George K
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                              "So, the Trump administration will have many avenues to persecute its enemies, real and perceived. Think of all the laws now on the books that give the federal government enormous power to surveil people for possible links to terrorism, a dangerously flexible term, not to mention all the usual opportunities to investigate people for alleged tax evasion or violation of foreign agent registration laws"

                              Oh my giddy aunt. We can only hope that CNN gets notified before a pre-dawn raid of FBI agents arrives to get it all on tape - again.

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              • George KG George K

                                "So, the Trump administration will have many avenues to persecute its enemies, real and perceived. Think of all the laws now on the books that give the federal government enormous power to surveil people for possible links to terrorism, a dangerously flexible term, not to mention all the usual opportunities to investigate people for alleged tax evasion or violation of foreign agent registration laws"

                                Oh my giddy aunt. We can only hope that CNN gets notified before a pre-dawn raid of FBI agents arrives to get it all on tape - again.

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                                Horace
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #20

                                @George-K said in A tour through the TDS afflicted mind:

                                "So, the Trump administration will have many avenues to persecute its enemies, real and perceived. Think of all the laws now on the books that give the federal government enormous power to surveil people for possible links to terrorism, a dangerously flexible term, not to mention all the usual opportunities to investigate people for alleged tax evasion or violation of foreign agent registration laws"

                                Oh my giddy aunt. We can only hope that CNN gets notified before a pre-dawn raid of FBI agents arrives to get it all on tape - again.

                                It's so easy to read the whole piece with a recognition that most of the stuff was already happening, only in service of the author's tribe.

                                I guess jon would like everybody to believe that really compelling arguments exist, just not in that 8500 word piece, written by someone absolutely immersed in this stuff.

                                Education is extremely important.

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                                  Jolly
                                  wrote on last edited by
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                                  I've yet to figure out how Trump is so successful at terrifying some people.

                                  He's been POTUS. Last time I looked, the government wasn't overthrown.

                                  Some of his initiatives were upheld in court. Some weren't. Some of his projects and policies made it through the congressional process to become law. Some didn't.

                                  I don't remember any nights where political rivals were arrested or murdered. Where people who disagreed with Trump were thrown in jail.

                                  Fact is, I've seen more lawfare and political persecution from the Biden Administration, than happened in the Trump Administration. But the NYT and the Post are in the tank for Biden, and they provide political cover.

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  • George KG George K
                                    1. Trump is a threat to democracy
                                    2. No he's not
                                    3. Rather than explaining why #1 is true, tell us why #2 is true.

                                    Is that the argument?

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                                    Renauda
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                                    #22

                                    @George-K said in A tour through the TDS afflicted mind:

                                    1. Trump is a threat to democracy
                                    2. No he's not
                                    3. Rather than explaining why #1 is true, tell us why #2 is true.

                                    Is that the argument?

                                    It might be.

                                    On the other hand, I don’t see Trumpff as a threat to democracy or becoming a dictator. In the first instance he can’t seem to keep staff. Dictators need mindless minions of varying degrees of competence. Trump’s staff all seem to resign after brief tenures and none to happy with his crassness and lack of sound judgement. In the second instance, no one with half a brain listens to him or is convinced he truly is the American Moses he thinks he is.

                                    Americans (and the world) can therefore rest easy because Master Corporal “Bone-spurs” Trump sure as hell ain’t a candidate ever to become the American Caesar

                                    Elbows up!

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