Seattle City Councilwoman
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"She threatens to seize control of the Fortune 500 and overthrow the "racist, sexist, violent, utterly bankrupt system of capitalism."
And you're worried that these jamokes will endure???
wrote on 8 Jul 2020, 14:33 last edited by@Catseye3 said in Seattle City Councilwoman:
"She threatens to seize control of the Fortune 500 and overthrow the "racist, sexist, violent, utterly bankrupt system of capitalism."
And you're worried that these jamokes will endure???
Yes, because there will be uninformed people who will tell us we are silly for thinking these people are a threat...
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wrote on 8 Jul 2020, 14:33 last edited by
So when does Bezos become a conservative?
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"She threatens to seize control of the Fortune 500 and overthrow the "racist, sexist, violent, utterly bankrupt system of capitalism."
And you're worried that these jamokes will endure???
wrote on 8 Jul 2020, 14:34 last edited by@Catseye3 said in Seattle City Councilwoman:
And you're worried that these jamokes will endure???
Jon implied that in his "last time I pull a lever for a Democrat" comment in another thread.
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wrote on 8 Jul 2020, 14:36 last edited by
Jon said that??? This I gotta see for myself!!!
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So when does Bezos become a conservative?
wrote on 8 Jul 2020, 14:36 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in Seattle City Councilwoman:
So when does Bezos become a conservative?
I sometimes wonder to what degree was his wapo purchase a preemptive defense against the leftist mob.
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@Catseye3 said in Seattle City Councilwoman:
And you're worried that these jamokes will endure???
Jon implied that in his "last time I pull a lever for a Democrat" comment in another thread.
wrote on 8 Jul 2020, 14:40 last edited by@George-K If idiots like this girl had ever had a chance of prevailing, we would never have made it as far as we have.
You think Wall Street wouldn't have something to say about this? Only the braindead could imagine such an ambition with the remotest chance of success. At best their progress would come to a screeching halt when the Jack Daniels started disappearing from the shelves.
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wrote on 8 Jul 2020, 14:43 last edited by
You are watching a steady decades long rise and normalization of left wing nuttery and pointing to an important politician’s voicing of it to a national audience and claiming that there is just no way it could ever catch on.
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wrote on 8 Jul 2020, 14:48 last edited by
Five years ago the Left was denying they were Socialists. If you said they were you were laughed at and told you were silly to think that would ever happen. HERE we are just 5 years later, the Left is now openly embracing Socialism, and a few uninformed people want me to shut up about the progression into Communism. Shoving ones head in the sand makes one blind.
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wrote on 8 Jul 2020, 14:55 last edited by
Fine. Maybe y'all are right. Maybe the fraction of the 300-some-odd million people who are venture capitalists and entrepreneurs and other prime movers, will just sit with their thumbs up their asses and go, "Welp, I guess we're screwed now! It was fun while it lasted!"
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wrote on 8 Jul 2020, 14:56 last edited by
Jesus.
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Fine. Maybe y'all are right. Maybe the fraction of the 300-some-odd million people who are venture capitalists and entrepreneurs and other prime movers, will just sit with their thumbs up their asses and go, "Welp, I guess we're screwed now! It was fun while it lasted!"
wrote on 8 Jul 2020, 15:10 last edited by@Catseye3 said in Seattle City Councilwoman:
Fine. Maybe y'all are right. Maybe the fraction of the 300-some-odd million people who are venture capitalists and entrepreneurs and other prime movers, will just sit with their thumbs up their asses and go, "Welp, I guess we're screwed now! It was fun while it lasted!"
Those people’s publicly espoused politics have been hard left for quite some time now.
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Fine. Maybe y'all are right. Maybe the fraction of the 300-some-odd million people who are venture capitalists and entrepreneurs and other prime movers, will just sit with their thumbs up their asses and go, "Welp, I guess we're screwed now! It was fun while it lasted!"
wrote on 8 Jul 2020, 16:50 last edited by@Catseye3 4 years ago Bernie Sanders was essentially cheated out of the nomination by “establishment” democrats, and the socialist wing still made significant gains in representation in AOC and her friends. This year, it took a last minute all hands on deck come to Jesus moment to bring together all of the “establishment” democrats to rally behind Joe and even that may have failed if he would have had to keep campaigning against Bernie. Frankly, if Bernie was to come back and run as an independent, I think he would now beat Joe, but would likely toss the election to Trump, so I don’t think it will happen. The Democrat party is dying right before our eyes. Unfortunately, so is the Republican...
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@Catseye3 4 years ago Bernie Sanders was essentially cheated out of the nomination by “establishment” democrats, and the socialist wing still made significant gains in representation in AOC and her friends. This year, it took a last minute all hands on deck come to Jesus moment to bring together all of the “establishment” democrats to rally behind Joe and even that may have failed if he would have had to keep campaigning against Bernie. Frankly, if Bernie was to come back and run as an independent, I think he would now beat Joe, but would likely toss the election to Trump, so I don’t think it will happen. The Democrat party is dying right before our eyes. Unfortunately, so is the Republican...
wrote on 8 Jul 2020, 16:57 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in Seattle City Councilwoman:
4 years ago Bernie Sanders was essentially cheated out of the nomination by “establishment” democrats
Nah, Hillary won the Democratic primary of 2016 by getting more votes, more than Bernie, more than any other candidate.
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@Catseye3 4 years ago Bernie Sanders was essentially cheated out of the nomination by “establishment” democrats, and the socialist wing still made significant gains in representation in AOC and her friends. This year, it took a last minute all hands on deck come to Jesus moment to bring together all of the “establishment” democrats to rally behind Joe and even that may have failed if he would have had to keep campaigning against Bernie. Frankly, if Bernie was to come back and run as an independent, I think he would now beat Joe, but would likely toss the election to Trump, so I don’t think it will happen. The Democrat party is dying right before our eyes. Unfortunately, so is the Republican...
wrote on 8 Jul 2020, 18:33 last edited by Renauda 7 Aug 2020, 18:34@LuFins-Dad
"The Democrat party is dying right before our eyes. Unfortunately, so is the Republican..."I agree.
Both suffer from a similar malaise; their respective membership and base are divided against themselves. The Democrats have been dying their slow death since the 1970's. The terminal illness of the Republicans is more recent only becoming apparent during the post Reagan era and corresponding to the influence of strategists like the late Lee Atwater and legislators such as Newt Gingrich.
It won't really matter in the long run, the Trump era will fade and a new Republican movement will arise and prevail. It will have broad appeal and command almost total support.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Seattle City Councilwoman:
4 years ago Bernie Sanders was essentially cheated out of the nomination by “establishment” democrats
Nah, Hillary won the Democratic primary of 2016 by getting more votes, more than Bernie, more than any other candidate.
wrote on 8 Jul 2020, 18:37 last edited by@Axtremus said in Seattle City Councilwoman:
@LuFins-Dad said in Seattle City Councilwoman:
4 years ago Bernie Sanders was essentially cheated out of the nomination by “establishment” democrats
Nah, Hillary won the Democratic primary of 2016 by getting more votes, more than Bernie, more than any other candidate.
One has to be 7 kinds of a fool to believe that.
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@LuFins-Dad
"The Democrat party is dying right before our eyes. Unfortunately, so is the Republican..."I agree.
Both suffer from a similar malaise; their respective membership and base are divided against themselves. The Democrats have been dying their slow death since the 1970's. The terminal illness of the Republicans is more recent only becoming apparent during the post Reagan era and corresponding to the influence of strategists like the late Lee Atwater and legislators such as Newt Gingrich.
It won't really matter in the long run, the Trump era will fade and a new Republican movement will arise and prevail. It will have broad appeal and command almost total support.
wrote on 8 Jul 2020, 18:51 last edited by@Renauda said in Seattle City Councilwoman:
It won't really matter in the long run, the Trump era will fade and a new Republican movement will arise and prevail. It will have broad appeal and command almost total support.
As a backlash, you mean?
This is what I was trying to articulate above -- not well!
Can you recommend some writers who talk about this?
I found a couple of articles in Pew Research, that show that "Americans are narrowly hopeful about the future of the United States over the next 30 years but more pessimistic when the focus turns to specific issues," and "Most Americans Say There Is Too Much Economic Inequality in the U.S., but Fewer Than Half Call It a Top Priority." The impression is that the trend of one direction over the other is not large. You get the feeling that things could go either way, depending on many things.
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wrote on 8 Jul 2020, 18:57 last edited by Mik 7 Aug 2020, 18:57
Donna Brazile seems to think Hilary stole not only the nomination but the party as well.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774
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wrote on 8 Jul 2020, 22:01 last edited by
The Democratic Party establishment managed to hold on longer than the Republican. The GOP capitulated in 2016. The Democratic establishment held on in 2016 only through the strength (within the party) of the Clinton brand and held on in 2020 largely due to some withdrawals at the key moment before SC. Really they pulled the chute at 500 feet.
Seems highly unlikely they’ll be able to do that in 2024. I’m already worried about who will lead the house in 2021. IIRC Pelosi’s deal was she wouldn’t run for leadership again.
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@Renauda said in Seattle City Councilwoman:
It won't really matter in the long run, the Trump era will fade and a new Republican movement will arise and prevail. It will have broad appeal and command almost total support.
As a backlash, you mean?
This is what I was trying to articulate above -- not well!
Can you recommend some writers who talk about this?
I found a couple of articles in Pew Research, that show that "Americans are narrowly hopeful about the future of the United States over the next 30 years but more pessimistic when the focus turns to specific issues," and "Most Americans Say There Is Too Much Economic Inequality in the U.S., but Fewer Than Half Call It a Top Priority." The impression is that the trend of one direction over the other is not large. You get the feeling that things could go either way, depending on many things.
wrote on 8 Jul 2020, 22:02 last edited by Renauda 7 Aug 2020, 23:54I can't recommend anyone in particular, although I am sure there are some discussing this scenario.
My thoughts on the matter come from watching and reading trends. The left is historically factionalised and tends devour itself in the absence of a strong guiding hand. The right while being less ideologically defined, tends towards consolidation although it too can be every bit as dogmatic the left as it moves towards its own extremes.
The predicament the US is facing is that its two party system is undergoing fundamental changes. Neither party base is content to occupy the centre and is instead looking to the more extreme of its membership for direction. Both parties are targetting populist appeal to gain broad support. Essentially, both parties are equally bankrupt of ideas and any sense of morality.