The IQ Test
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@Doctor-Phibes said in The IQ Test:
@Aqua-Letifer said in The IQ Test:
Let me know what you find out.
The main goal would be to see how much shit people who have elected to avoid working in the rat race are willing to put up with for differing amounts of money. At the end of it, I'd ask them whether being deliberately infected with botulism was preferable to getting a job where you have to buy some shirts.
I've actually done some fieldwork on this. It turns out that it's not actually the choice it appears to be. Some folks actually do indeed listen to their puritanical parents and try to join the rat race—and end up being the very first person in a 35-year-old program to be shit-canned for "lacking professional demeanor."
Of course, it's a pipe dream. My main goal at this point is to survive another 5 years without people realizing how lazy I am or try to medicate me for ADHD.
C'mon over to my side of things. I don't think I work with a single colleague who isn't spectrumatic in some way. It's actually the expectation.
@Aqua-Letifer said in The IQ Test:
C'mon over to my side of things. I don't think I work with a single colleague who isn't spectrumatic in some way. It's actually the expectation.
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Having a median IQ at a large corporation, I mean whatever that median happens to be at any given corporation, can be very comfortable. If you're an outlier problem solver, it just increases the difficulty of the social problems you'll need to navigate.
Education is extremely important.
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The worst kind of people to work with are the ones who think they're outlier problem solvers but in reality are just a fucking nuisance and can't follow standard processes. Dunning Kruger at work.
I was only joking
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The worst kind of people to work with are the ones who think they're outlier problem solvers but in reality are just a fucking nuisance and can't follow standard processes. Dunning Kruger at work.
@Doctor-Phibes said in The IQ Test:
The worst kind of people to work with are the ones who think they're outlier problem solvers but in reality are just a fucking nuisance and can't follow standard processes. Dunning Kruger at work.
Yeah I know. Also, intelligence is meaningless!
Education is extremely important.
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If I was hiring, I would likely hire the Marine first. High ASVAB, and sorry, but he nailed it. It measures your ability to learn and reason, and that is the highest indicator of intelligence. In addition, serving in the military does generally mean an ability to follow instruction, work well in a team, and some degree of problem solving.
Ray would have been 2nd. He’s smart, and since he’s Chinese, he can probably play the hell out of a piano.
3 would be a tossup between the dyslexic girl and Sean. Overcoming dyslexia is indicative of a high degree of intelligence and perseverance. At the same time, her bringing it up constantly would be annoying.
I’m not surprised the PhD came in last.
The Brad
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@Doctor-Phibes said in The IQ Test:
The worst kind of people to work with are the ones who think they're outlier problem solvers but in reality are just a fucking nuisance and can't follow standard processes. Dunning Kruger at work.
Yeah I know. Also, intelligence is meaningless!
@Horace said in The IQ Test:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The IQ Test:
The worst kind of people to work with are the ones who think they're outlier problem solvers but in reality are just a fucking nuisance and can't follow standard processes. Dunning Kruger at work.
Yeah I know. Also, intelligence is meaningless!
No, it's not. But I've had to deal with more than one person who thinks they're an outlier type and leave a complete shit-show in their wake when they leave. Cleaning up after a guy who thought he was too good for this terrible job and was so much smarter than everybody else is unpleasant. The only small comfort is watching them continue to crash and burn by tracking their subsequent LinkedIn profile.
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@Horace said in The IQ Test:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The IQ Test:
The worst kind of people to work with are the ones who think they're outlier problem solvers but in reality are just a fucking nuisance and can't follow standard processes. Dunning Kruger at work.
Yeah I know. Also, intelligence is meaningless!
No, it's not. But I've had to deal with more than one person who thinks they're an outlier type and leave a complete shit-show in their wake when they leave. Cleaning up after a guy who thought he was too good for this terrible job and was so much smarter than everybody else is unpleasant. The only small comfort is watching them continue to crash and burn by tracking their subsequent LinkedIn profile.
@Doctor-Phibes said in The IQ Test:
@Horace said in The IQ Test:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The IQ Test:
The worst kind of people to work with are the ones who think they're outlier problem solvers but in reality are just a fucking nuisance and can't follow standard processes. Dunning Kruger at work.
Yeah I know. Also, intelligence is meaningless!
No, it's not. But I've had to deal with more than one person who thinks they're an outlier type and leave a complete shit-show in their wake when they leave. Cleaning up after a guy who thought he was too good for this terrible job and was so much smarter than everybody else is unpleasant. The only small comfort is watching them continue to crash and burn by tracking their subsequent LinkedIn profile.
Doesn't sound like they worked very smart.
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The worst kind of people to work with are the ones who think they're outlier problem solvers but in reality are just a fucking nuisance and can't follow standard processes. Dunning Kruger at work.
@Doctor-Phibes said in The IQ Test:
The worst kind of people to work with are the ones who think they're outlier problem solvers but in reality are just a fucking nuisance and can't follow standard processes. Dunning Kruger at work.
Nah. That’s what Horace and I do for a living.
We don’ need no steenking standards.
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Mik Dunning and Horace Kruger.
A couple of dodgy sounding action-heroes, or possibly adult entertainers.
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Having a median IQ at a large corporation, I mean whatever that median happens to be at any given corporation, can be very comfortable. If you're an outlier problem solver, it just increases the difficulty of the social problems you'll need to navigate.
@Horace said in The IQ Test:
Having a median IQ at a large corporation, I mean whatever that median happens to be at any given corporation, can be very comfortable. If you're an outlier problem solver, it just increases the difficulty of the social problems you'll need to navigate.
I don't know if that's a measure of intelligence, though. People who score high in openness, for example, have to come up with new stuff in much the same way that extroverts have to be in social settings. And there's always friction with that, because companies are all top-down when it comes to innovating.
No doubt that a median IQ makes things easier. Not just in job settings.
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I’ll say this much, anybody that says they have a high (shudder) “EQ” doesn’t, and usually has a pretty low (shudder) “EQ”.
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I’ll say this much, anybody that says they have a high (shudder) “EQ” doesn’t, and usually has a pretty low (shudder) “EQ”.
@LuFins-Dad said in The IQ Test:
I’ll say this much, anybody that says they have a high (shudder) “EQ” doesn’t, and usually has a pretty low (shudder) “EQ”.
That's sometimes code for having a huge amount of compassion, which in turn is code for neurotic levels of emotional reaction to anecdotes, especially culturally venerated oppression anecdotes.
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I have a very high EQ and anybody who disputes it can just fucking die.
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On a semi-related note, do you think that if somebody thinks they may be a sociopath then they're probably not a sociopath?
Asking for a friend. OK, if I had any friends I'd be asking for one of them.
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To try to judge intelligence by education level is quite foolish. Go strike a deal with a farmer. When he agrees, then you will know you have been well and truly screwed.
@Mik said in The IQ Test:
To try to judge intelligence by education level is quite foolish. Go strike a deal with a
farmerfarmer's daughter. When she agrees, then you will know you have been well and truly screwed.FIFY.
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@Mik said in The IQ Test:
To try to judge intelligence by education level is quite foolish. Go strike a deal with a
farmerfarmer's daughter. When she agrees, then you will know you have been well and truly screwed.FIFY.
@Jolly said in The IQ Test:
Nice, I have the same gloves she has. I stocked up on these gloves when Home Depot sold them in bulk multi-packs. Quite economical and they get the job done, a good value. But after COVID I cannot find them in Home Depot anymore, not sure if they have been discontinued or just merely going through supply chain issues. :man-shrugging:
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For the money, these are very good:
https://www.samsclub.com/p/plainsman-leather-gloves-2-pair/113105?xid=plp_product_7
I know I'm actually working when I start to wear holes through my gloves...
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If I was hiring, I would likely hire the Marine first. High ASVAB, and sorry, but he nailed it. It measures your ability to learn and reason, and that is the highest indicator of intelligence. In addition, serving in the military does generally mean an ability to follow instruction, work well in a team, and some degree of problem solving.
Ray would have been 2nd. He’s smart, and since he’s Chinese, he can probably play the hell out of a piano.
3 would be a tossup between the dyslexic girl and Sean. Overcoming dyslexia is indicative of a high degree of intelligence and perseverance. At the same time, her bringing it up constantly would be annoying.
I’m not surprised the PhD came in last.
@LuFins-Dad said in The IQ Test:
If I was hiring, I would likely hire the Marine first. High ASVAB, and sorry, but he nailed it. It measures your ability to learn and reason, and that is the highest indicator of intelligence. In addition, serving in the military does generally mean an ability to follow instruction, work well in a team, and some degree of problem solving.
Indeed, the Marine would make a very good hire for many jobs.
Often times I am impressed by US military personnel when talking about jobs — ask them what they do and they give clear, succinct answers; they know very well what they do and they can articulate that quickly and clearly. That is often not the case for most civilian office workers.
Speaking generally, who to hire will depend on what the job requires, but statistically there are more jobs that require the ability and temperament to follow instructions than jobs that require “leadership” or “creativity/outside-the-box thinking.” So despite these being buzzwords that appear frequently in job ads (and college recruitment ads), they are often overrated in the general job market.
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For the money, these are very good:
https://www.samsclub.com/p/plainsman-leather-gloves-2-pair/113105?xid=plp_product_7
I know I'm actually working when I start to wear holes through my gloves...
@Jolly said in The IQ Test:
Thanks! Didn’t know that they have “extra long cuff” version. That will be my go-to the next time I need to restock.
