Yep, he needed to be arrested...
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One of his friends said the below:
“He may be a hothead, he may be a crank, but he’s not going to be that kind of a threat.”
But, how do you know that? There are always stories about people doing bad things, and sometimes, there will be the reaction: "Oh, he was just a good person. I never would have thought that he would have done XXXX". Unfortunately, things have to be taken seriously in todays world. The article says that he made pretty specific threats against President Biden, and Biden was scheduled to arrive in Utah in a couple of days, so they took action
From reading the article, he sound pretty paranoid. I am not sure this would have ended well, regardless of where they got him. Seems like he almost never left the house and when he did, it was with a gun. And he wasn't afraid to confront police with a gun in his hand.
The cops keep Robertson occupied with small talk, laughing at his jokes, complimenting him on his woodworking, and listening patiently as he brags about the last time he pulled a weapon on a police officer on his property or threatened neighborhood teenagers with being “stomped” in the bushes.
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What normally happens to armed people in the city who act aggressively or in a paranoid manner towards police officers?
Pretty much the same thing, except a whole different group of people complain about it.
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He's armed. So what?
Good policing dictates adequate force in a time and place of law enforcement's choosing. Stuff like this is paramilitary policing. That leads to excessive force profiles and often to collateral casualties.
I'll give you an example from Waco...Koresh was known to drive into town on a fairly regular basis. Maybe he was armed. Maybe not. But instead of apprehending him in a military style assault, where a lot of people got killed, set up a diversion on the road to town and block his egress from the rear. Order him out if the car and if he wants to meet God, oblige him.
There are ways to apprehend suspects other than breaching assaults.
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He's armed. So what?
Good policing dictates adequate force in a time and place of law enforcement's choosing. Stuff like this is paramilitary policing. That leads to excessive force profiles and often to collateral casualties.
I'll give you an example from Waco...Koresh was known to drive into town on a fairly regular basis. Maybe he was armed. Maybe not. But instead of apprehending him in a military style assault, where a lot of people got killed, set up a diversion on the road to town and block his egress from the rear. Order him out if the car and if he wants to meet God, oblige him.
There are ways to apprehend suspects other than breaching assaults.
@Jolly said in Yep, he needed to be arrested...:
Koresh was known to drive into town on a fairly regular basis
I was going to mention Waco.
Wasn't there talk of apprehending him in the manner you suggested - quietly, in town, with no drama?
Wouldn't that have worked? Why didn't they?
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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The FBI of the 1950's would have taken Koresh as quietly and efficiently as possible.
I'm not in favor of the unarmed English bobbie, but we've gotten into this policing mindset whereby we want to use our SWAT toys. Overwhelming force, breaching charges, door cascades with military weapons...As common apprehension tactics for violent offenders. And in this case, for a nutter who had committed no crime except for threatening the life of the President.
Police should be police, not Marines in Fallujah.
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@Jolly said in Yep, he needed to be arrested...:
Koresh was known to drive into town on a fairly regular basis
I was going to mention Waco.
Wasn't there talk of apprehending him in the manner you suggested - quietly, in town, with no drama?
Wouldn't that have worked? Why didn't they?
@George-K said in Yep, he needed to be arrested...:
Wasn't there talk of apprehending him in the manner you suggested - quietly, in town, with no drama?
I just got to thinking about non-lethal weapons.
Maybe they aren't as immediately effective, but how about if they were remote controlled.
I wonder if Apple could make an iPhone battery explode on command.
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Compare this discussion to the one about the Maine shooter where warnings were missed.
The police are damned if they do, and damned if they don't, and these problems are really easy to solve in hindsight.
I do agree that the militarization of the police is not a good thing.
I was only joking
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Compare this discussion to the one about the Maine shooter where warnings were missed.
The police are damned if they do, and damned if they don't, and these problems are really easy to solve in hindsight.
I do agree that the militarization of the police is not a good thing.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Yep, he needed to be arrested...:
Compare this discussion to the one about the Maine shooter where warnings were missed.
The police are damned if they do, and damned if they don't, and these problems are really easy to solve in hindsight.
I do agree that the militarization of the police is not a good thing.
Yes, hindsight is 20/20. Maybe we need some introspection and use that hindsight.
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The piece is pretty dishonest for politico.
The opening para:
Hey Merrick Garland, You Demented Weasel,” he wrote on Facebook last fall. “Send your FBI Swat Team to my house.”
Ten months later, the SWAT team came.
The full quote included a threat:
"Hey Merrick Garland, you Demented Weasel, Send your FBI Swat Team to my house," he wrote. "You won't because I fight back against cowards!!!"
And here’s his Facebook profile.
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Speaking about rotten culture….
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Seems like he might have been better off playing Call of Duty than whatever the heck that game was
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Compare this discussion to the one about the Maine shooter where warnings were missed.
The police are damned if they do, and damned if they don't, and these problems are really easy to solve in hindsight.
I do agree that the militarization of the police is not a good thing.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Yep, he needed to be arrested...:
The police are damned if they do, and damned if they don't, and these problems are really easy to solve in hindsight.
Yup. He guy, who lived in Utah, made a direct threat against President Biden. President Biden was coming to to his area in the next few days. I don't think there is the good opportunity to just wait for him for a better chance to arrest him.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Yep, he needed to be arrested...:
The police are damned if they do, and damned if they don't, and these problems are really easy to solve in hindsight.
Yup. He guy, who lived in Utah, made a direct threat against President Biden. President Biden was coming to to his area in the next few days. I don't think there is the good opportunity to just wait for him for a better chance to arrest him.
@taiwan_girl said in Yep, he needed to be arrested...:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Yep, he needed to be arrested...:
The police are damned if they do, and damned if they don't, and these problems are really easy to solve in hindsight.
Yup. He guy, who lived in Utah, made a direct threat against President Biden. President Biden was coming to to his area in the next few days. I don't think there is the good opportunity to just wait for him for a better chance to arrest him.
Oh, bushwa.
- In the first place, the Secret Service does those investigations. They don't normally knock the house down.
- If you're worried about Biden coming to town, put the guy under surveillance.
- Same apprehension rules apply.
- If you wish to have police with submachine guns, riding around on tanks and armored personel carriers for every nut job, maybe we need to rething our approach to policing. Or a country.
