Amendment 2
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This is the ballot question
Do you support an amendment to provide that the freedom of worship in a church or other place of worship is a fundamental right that is worthy of the highest order of protection?
Seems unnecessary. Doesn't the US constitution already give freedom of religion?
Doesn't the US constitution have more power than the state constitution?
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Obviously not when church services were shut down during Covid.
"The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil
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@Mik said in Amendment 2:
Obviously not when church services were shut down during Covid.
Pandemic and public health aside, can you think of other situations where some others concerns should be a higher priority over the “freedom to worship in a church”?
How about the police temporarily cordoning off a church after a murder or mass shooting event that happened in the church?
How about a fire?
How about a bomb threat?
How about impending natural disasters like a hurricane or tornado or tsunami or earthquakes?
Who ever drafted the language for “Amendment 2” only has “pandemic” in mind but is somehow unable or unwilling to say that out loud, and has not think through a lot of other possibilities that should have higher priorities, higher order of protection than the “freedom to worship in a church”, resulting in this half-baked language for “Amendment 2.”
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@Mik said in Amendment 2:
Obviously not when church services were shut down during Covid.
Were clergy prohibited from streaming Sunday church services online?
@Renauda said in Amendment 2:
@Mik said in Amendment 2:
Obviously not when church services were shut down during Covid.
Were clergy prohibited from streaming Sunday church services online?
Nope.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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@Mik said in Amendment 2:
Obviously not when church services were shut down during Covid.
Pandemic and public health aside, can you think of other situations where some others concerns should be a higher priority over the “freedom to worship in a church”?
How about the police temporarily cordoning off a church after a murder or mass shooting event that happened in the church?
How about a fire?
How about a bomb threat?
How about impending natural disasters like a hurricane or tornado or tsunami or earthquakes?
Who ever drafted the language for “Amendment 2” only has “pandemic” in mind but is somehow unable or unwilling to say that out loud, and has not think through a lot of other possibilities that should have higher priorities, higher order of protection than the “freedom to worship in a church”, resulting in this half-baked language for “Amendment 2.”
@Axtremus said in Amendment 2:
@Mik said in Amendment 2:
Obviously not when church services were shut down during Covid.
Pandemic and public health aside, can you think of other situations where some others concerns should be a higher priority over the “freedom to worship in a church”?
How about the police temporarily cordoning off a church after a murder or mass shooting event that happened in the church?
How about a fire?
How about a bomb threat?
How about impending natural disasters like a hurricane or tornado or tsunami or earthquakes?
Who ever drafted the language for “Amendment 2” only has “pandemic” in mind but is somehow unable or unwilling to say that out loud, and has not think through a lot of other possibilities that should have higher priorities, higher order of protection than the “freedom to worship in a church”, resulting in this half-baked language for “Amendment 2.”
Send an email to the cosponsors of SB63 and let them know how half-baked they are. I'm sure they'll appreciate it.
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Pandemic and public health aside, can you think of other situations where some others concerns should be a higher priority over the “freedom to worship in a church”?
Nope
How about the police temporarily cordoning off a church after a murder or mass shooting event that happened in the church?
Nope
How about a fire?
How about a bomb threat?
How about impending natural disasters like a hurricane or tornado or tsunami or earthquakes?
Nope
Nope
Ahhhhhh, NopeThe Brad
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@Renauda said in Amendment 2:
@Mik said in Amendment 2:
Obviously not when church services were shut down during Covid.
Were clergy prohibited from streaming Sunday church services online?
Nope.
@Jolly said in Amendment 2:
@Renauda said in Amendment 2:
@Mik said in Amendment 2:
Obviously not when church services were shut down during Covid.
Were clergy prohibited from streaming Sunday church services online?
Nope.
I didn’t think so.
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Pandemic and public health aside, can you think of other situations where some others concerns should be a higher priority over the “freedom to worship in a church”?
Nope
How about the police temporarily cordoning off a church after a murder or mass shooting event that happened in the church?
Nope
How about a fire?
How about a bomb threat?
How about impending natural disasters like a hurricane or tornado or tsunami or earthquakes?
Nope
Nope
Ahhhhhh, Nope@LuFins-Dad said in Amendment 2:
How about impending natural disasters like a hurricane or tornado or tsunami or earthquakes?
Nope
Nope
Ahhhhhh, NopeIf a bunch of eejits decide to stay in a church after been told to evacuate due to a natural disaster, should the rescue services risk their lives to come and save them?
I was only joking
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@LuFins-Dad said in Amendment 2:
How about impending natural disasters like a hurricane or tornado or tsunami or earthquakes?
Nope
Nope
Ahhhhhh, NopeIf a bunch of eejits decide to stay in a church after been told to evacuate due to a natural disaster, should the rescue services risk their lives to come and save them?
@Doctor-Phibes said in Amendment 2:
should the rescue services risk their lives to come and save them?
Yes
People who need rescuing are generally not all that bright.
If that was a requirement for rescuing, there wouldn't be much rescuing.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Amendment 2:
How about impending natural disasters like a hurricane or tornado or tsunami or earthquakes?
Nope
Nope
Ahhhhhh, NopeIf a bunch of eejits decide to stay in a church after been told to evacuate due to a natural disaster, should the rescue services risk their lives to come and save them?
@Doctor-Phibes said in Amendment 2:
@LuFins-Dad said in Amendment 2:
How about impending natural disasters like a hurricane or tornado or tsunami or earthquakes?
Nope
Nope
Ahhhhhh, NopeIf a bunch of eejits decide to stay in a church after been told to evacuate due to a natural disaster, should the rescue services risk their lives to come and save them?
Everybody counts or nobody counts.
Please love yourself.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Amendment 2:
@LuFins-Dad said in Amendment 2:
How about impending natural disasters like a hurricane or tornado or tsunami or earthquakes?
Nope
Nope
Ahhhhhh, NopeIf a bunch of eejits decide to stay in a church after been told to evacuate due to a natural disaster, should the rescue services risk their lives to come and save them?
Everybody counts or nobody counts.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Amendment 2:
How about impending natural disasters like a hurricane or tornado or tsunami or earthquakes?
Nope
Nope
Ahhhhhh, NopeIf a bunch of eejits decide to stay in a church after been told to evacuate due to a natural disaster, should the rescue services risk their lives to come and save them?
@Doctor-Phibes said in Amendment 2:
@LuFins-Dad said in Amendment 2:
How about impending natural disasters like a hurricane or tornado or tsunami or earthquakes?
Nope
Nope
Ahhhhhh, NopeIf a bunch of eejits decide to stay in a church after been told to evacuate due to a natural disaster, should the rescue services risk their lives to come and save them?
Quite frankly, many churches are set up to serve as disaster relief centers and are well equipped to serve as shelters in a natural disaster.
During Katrina, a large number of “eejit” churches in New Orleans opened their doors for residents that weren’t able to or chose not to evacuate, and provided food, shelter, water, and emergency medical care to others that couldn’t get out of the storms path. They organized hundreds of volunteers during the storm and tens of thousands in the aftermath and saved thousands of lives through their efforts.
At the same time, I believe you were sitting around making snarky jokes about Bush and company…
Who are the eejits again?
If there is a natural disaster coming your way that you will not be able to evacuate for, I strongly recommend that you consider going to your wife’s church and sheltering with the eejits.
The Brad
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I get that you have this view of churches being filled with dumbass yokels, but you will find many brilliant and well educated leaders in those churches. But keep reveling in your bigotry, eejit.
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Well, that escalated quickly.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Amendment 2:
@LuFins-Dad said in Amendment 2:
How about impending natural disasters like a hurricane or tornado or tsunami or earthquakes?
Nope
Nope
Ahhhhhh, NopeIf a bunch of eejits decide to stay in a church after been told to evacuate due to a natural disaster, should the rescue services risk their lives to come and save them?
Everybody counts or nobody counts.
@Aqua-Letifer said in Amendment 2:
Everybody counts or nobody counts.
My point, which seems to have got missed, is that people who refuse to follow evacuation orders are quite possibly putting emergency services in danger. If a church is told to evacuate, it should do so, just like everybody else.
Obviously, churches do a lot of good in these situations acting as shelters and what-have-you.
I was only joking
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After Katrina, the First place anybody got a hot meal, was from a SBC field kitchen. Lot of houses in New Orleans were gutted or rebuilt using donated church labor. In Houston after the last big flood, a lot of the Cajun Navy staged out of churches, parking their rigs in the parking lots and bunking in what space the church could provide.
After the last big earthquake in Tibet, numerous churches sent "construction missionaries" to build earthquake-proof housing designed by a team of engineers and architects, using locally sourced materials. On a more personal note, my wife has spent many days, working in Southern Mexico with medical missionary teams...Nothing like being the circulating tech in a dirt-floored hut and being asked to lean over the patient, so the rat crawling on the poles overhead doesn't fall in the sterile field.
But we don't have to go that far...Take a drive through any good-sized American town and chances are pretty good that many of the hospitals started out with the help of benevolent Christians.
Oh, speaking of non-denominational stuff...I need to start my shoebox planning...
https://www.samaritanspurse.org/what-we-do/operation-christmas-child/
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Amendment 2:
@LuFins-Dad said in Amendment 2:
How about impending natural disasters like a hurricane or tornado or tsunami or earthquakes?
Nope
Nope
Ahhhhhh, NopeIf a bunch of eejits decide to stay in a church after been told to evacuate due to a natural disaster, should the rescue services risk their lives to come and save them?
Quite frankly, many churches are set up to serve as disaster relief centers and are well equipped to serve as shelters in a natural disaster.
During Katrina, a large number of “eejit” churches in New Orleans opened their doors for residents that weren’t able to or chose not to evacuate, and provided food, shelter, water, and emergency medical care to others that couldn’t get out of the storms path. They organized hundreds of volunteers during the storm and tens of thousands in the aftermath and saved thousands of lives through their efforts.
At the same time, I believe you were sitting around making snarky jokes about Bush and company…
Who are the eejits again?
If there is a natural disaster coming your way that you will not be able to evacuate for, I strongly recommend that you consider going to your wife’s church and sheltering with the eejits.
@LuFins-Dad said in Amendment 2:
I strongly recommend that you consider going to your wife’s church
She's been married to me for over 25 years. Do you honestly think she still believes in God?
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Amendment 2:
Everybody counts or nobody counts.
My point, which seems to have got missed, is that people who refuse to follow evacuation orders are quite possibly putting emergency services in danger. If a church is told to evacuate, it should do so, just like everybody else.
Obviously, churches do a lot of good in these situations acting as shelters and what-have-you.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Amendment 2:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Amendment 2:
Everybody counts or nobody counts.
My point, which seems to have got missed, is that people who refuse to follow evacuation orders are quite possibly putting emergency services in danger. If a church is told to evacuate, it should do so, just like everybody else.
Probably should, yes. How far are you willing to go to force them to do that?
