Working Remote
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@Horace said in Working Remote:
If remote work becomes a tribal issue, look for a hard left turn from me.
Same.
I work more hours now. And have fewer meetings so, y'know, more work done on top of that.
I also don't work in a vacuum. Collaboration's far better remotely than in-person, at least for the stuff I do.
There's no good argument against it other than managers not having the skills to manage a remote team. They don't say this of course, they give a handwavey answer about nobody actually playing golf and "smiling faces."
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For middle managers, especially for those herding civil servants, productivity depends a lot on being to work the system to keep your employees working. I can see where you need those people in the office at least a few days a week.
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For middle managers, especially for those herding civil servants, productivity depends a lot on being to work the system to keep your employees working. I can see where you need those people in the office at least a few days a week.
@Jolly said in Working Remote:
For middle managers, especially for those herding civil servants, productivity depends a lot on being to work the system to keep your employees working. I can see where you need those people in the office at least a few days a week.
All depends on how to track deliverables. Very few can't be tracked remotely.
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Lad, I'm talking about government employees. I suspect the government has the right to tell them where they will work.
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Lad, I'm talking about government employees. I suspect the government has the right to tell them where they will work.
@Jolly said in Working Remote:
I'm talking about government employees. I suspect the government has the right to tell them where they will work.
Let the local managers under the executive branch figure it out. The legislative branch should stay out of micromanaging remote work policies. There should be more useful things for Sen. Cruz to spend his time on, maybe go work on avoiding the impending government shutdown.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Working Remote:
Remember when he fucked off to Cancun in the middle of a State emergency? I wonder if he was as self-righteous back then?
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It wasn't a Federal emergency. Texas is unique in having its own power grid and there isn't a fucking thing he could have done. Optics were admittedly bad, but mostly because Cruz has an "R" behind his name.
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Now, that you've engaged in politician bashing, does the man have a point, or not? How much time should most FCC workers spend in the office? I'm willing to compromise...If they wish to work from home full-time, cut their pay 15%.
If they wish to work from home full-time, cut their pay 15%.
That's a stupid idea.
People should be paid for how well they do the job.
For middle managers, especially for those herding civil servants, productivity depends a lot on being to work the system to keep your employees working. I >can see where you need those people in the office at least a few days a week.
I'm a middle manager, and I have to work 5 days a week in the office, as it 'fosters engagement' with my staff. On Mondays and Fridays the lights go out in the corridor outside my office due to the lack of people moving around.
I don't know about it fostering engagement, but I do know that I check my pension estimator a lot more than I used to.
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If they wish to work from home full-time, cut their pay 15%.
That's a stupid idea.
People should be paid for how well they do the job.
For middle managers, especially for those herding civil servants, productivity depends a lot on being to work the system to keep your employees working. I >can see where you need those people in the office at least a few days a week.
I'm a middle manager, and I have to work 5 days a week in the office, as it 'fosters engagement' with my staff. On Mondays and Fridays the lights go out in the corridor outside my office due to the lack of people moving around.
I don't know about it fostering engagement, but I do know that I check my pension estimator a lot more than I used to.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Working Remote:
If they wish to work from home full-time, cut their pay 15%.
That's a stupid idea.
People should be paid for how well they do the job.
For middle managers, especially for those herding civil servants, productivity depends a lot on being to work the system to keep your employees working. I >can see where you need those people in the office at least a few days a week.
I'm a middle manager, and I have to work 5 days a week in the office, as it 'fosters engagement' with my staff. On Mondays and Fridays the lights go out in the corridor outside my office due to the lack of people moving around.
I don't know about it fostering engagement, but I do know that I check my pension estimator a lot more than I used to.
Ever work with civil service?
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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I am with @Jolly on this. I think hybrid is here to stay, but I dont think that fully remote is overall effective.
(Of course, if varies by job type and person, but as a general, I think being in the office 3(?) days week at least is a good thing.)
But sometimes, opportunity cost is tough to prove.
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I am with @Jolly on this. I think hybrid is here to stay, but I dont think that fully remote is overall effective.
(Of course, if varies by job type and person, but as a general, I think being in the office 3(?) days week at least is a good thing.)
But sometimes, opportunity cost is tough to prove.
@taiwan_girl said in Working Remote:
(Of course, if varies by job type and person, but as a general, I think being in the office 3(?) days week at least is a good thing.)
A third of my co-workers live sufficiently close to the main office that they have to work on-site three days a week. They literally—and I shit you not—tried to "incentivize" people going in with office pizza parties. They enacted THE meme illustrating band-aid solutions to cultural deficit gunshot wounds.
Anyway, did you catch that this is only a third of my co-workers? So they go into the office, and meet and catch up with precisely nobody. The rest of us are all remote, all the time. They've effectively wasted 6 hours of their week commuting into a place staffed by hallways as dimly lit as Phibes'.
I'm all for in-office work. Makes a heck of a lot of sense for a number of jobs. I'm against some ignorant asshole telling me what's best for me because of their feels, not any experience with the kind of work I do.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Working Remote:
If they wish to work from home full-time, cut their pay 15%.
That's a stupid idea.
People should be paid for how well they do the job.
For middle managers, especially for those herding civil servants, productivity depends a lot on being to work the system to keep your employees working. I >can see where you need those people in the office at least a few days a week.
I'm a middle manager, and I have to work 5 days a week in the office, as it 'fosters engagement' with my staff. On Mondays and Fridays the lights go out in the corridor outside my office due to the lack of people moving around.
I don't know about it fostering engagement, but I do know that I check my pension estimator a lot more than I used to.
Ever work with civil service?
@Jolly said in Working Remote:
Ever work with civil service?
Are they lazier than the rest of us?
Because I kind of feel like that's the implication. Ted Cruz is basically moralizing about other people being on the take.
And he's a politician. An occupation not normally considered as the acme of ethical behaviour.
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@Jolly said in Working Remote:
Ever work with civil service?
Are they lazier than the rest of us?
Because I kind of feel like that's the implication. Ted Cruz is basically moralizing about other people being on the take.
And he's a politician. An occupation not normally considered as the acme of ethical behaviour.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Working Remote:
Are they lazier than the rest of us?
It used to be that they pretended to work, and we pretended to pay them.
Now they have the best of both.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Working Remote:
Are they lazier than the rest of us?
It used to be that they pretended to work, and we pretended to pay them.
Now they have the best of both.
@Copper said in Working Remote:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Working Remote:
Are they lazier than the rest of us?
It used to be that they pretended to work, and we pretended to pay them.
Now they have the best of both.
So you're saying that America's communist?
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The work at home question really is fascinating. Think of the profound possible impacts to humanity if working from home became the primary model…
On the plus side - profound impacts on time and income with less commuting. Could even reduce the number of vehicles owned. Also it could release a LOT of commercial real estate that can be repurposed to residential or even just parks… What happens to divorce rates of spouses have more time together? Infidelity is almost always between coworkers. More families would home school and generally be a bigger part of their children’s education. It would also greatly expand travel opportunities.
In the negative side, we are already becoming more isolated and less social. What happens when you remove the social necessity of conforming to interactive conventions and niceties? It will also have extreme negative consequences to so many other industries. Transportation, Hospitality, etc… All of that time together could add new stressors to families. The opportunity for abuse grows exponentially, and our social filters disappear…
And that doesn’t even take into account that for every Aqua that thrives in the work from home environment, there’s a me, that wouldn’t be able to accomplish Jack working from home. Some people thrive in the isolation and others need to work in a group setting (even performing the same jobs)
It’s a fascinating conundrum.
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The work at home question really is fascinating. Think of the profound possible impacts to humanity if working from home became the primary model…
On the plus side - profound impacts on time and income with less commuting. Could even reduce the number of vehicles owned. Also it could release a LOT of commercial real estate that can be repurposed to residential or even just parks… What happens to divorce rates of spouses have more time together? Infidelity is almost always between coworkers. More families would home school and generally be a bigger part of their children’s education. It would also greatly expand travel opportunities.
In the negative side, we are already becoming more isolated and less social. What happens when you remove the social necessity of conforming to interactive conventions and niceties? It will also have extreme negative consequences to so many other industries. Transportation, Hospitality, etc… All of that time together could add new stressors to families. The opportunity for abuse grows exponentially, and our social filters disappear…
And that doesn’t even take into account that for every Aqua that thrives in the work from home environment, there’s a me, that wouldn’t be able to accomplish Jack working from home. Some people thrive in the isolation and others need to work in a group setting (even performing the same jobs)
It’s a fascinating conundrum.
@LuFins-Dad said in Working Remote:
And that doesn’t even take into account that for every Aqua that thrives in the work from home environment, there’s a me, that wouldn’t be able to accomplish Jack working from home. Some people thrive in the isolation and others need to work in a group setting (even performing the same jobs)
Just to clarify a little here:
My job requires ideation, and staying the hell out of meetings. Meetings are never, ever helpful and destroy productivity for the kind of thing that I do.
But, the ideation stuff requires about 50/50 of isolation and collaboration. But even that second part works better remotely rather than in person.
Remotely, I'll be in a shared file at the same time as a co-worker. I can see their face and talk to them while we're working together. But, we both have access to the same digital workspace at the same time. So we can kick ideas around in real time, with both of us in the same file contributing our own part together.
This does 2 things:
- Speed things up considerably. Wouldn't have this effect with every job but it absolutely does with mine.
- Forces true collaboration. This is very important. Usually, there's a cat-and-mouse game at play. "You base your work on mine. No, you base your work on mine. " Etc. Real-time collaboration, that can only happen with this technology, stops this age-old debate.
Remote technology is very, very helpful to someone like me. But yeah, I wouldn't want to force everyone to do it, especially if it doesn't work for others.
