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Ohio Issue 1

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  • MikM Offline
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    In August there was an Ohio Issue 1 that tried to make it much more difficult to get a citizen sponsored referendum on the ballot. It failed because it was really meant to prevent the next issue 1, coming in November, that would enshrine abortion rights in the state constitution. I will vote against that as well because it is a legal nightmare full of vagaries and subjectivity. Here’s the text.

    Be it Resolved by the People of the State of Ohio that Article I of the Ohio Constitution is amended to add the following Section:

    Article I, Section 22. The Right to Reproductive Freedom with Protections for Health and Safety

    A. Every individual has a right to make and carry out one’s own reproductive decisions, including but not limited to decisions on:

    contraception;
    fertility treatment;
    continuing one’s own pregnancy;
    miscarriage care; and
    abortion
    B. The State shall not, directly or indirectly, burden, penalize, prohibit, interfere with, or discriminate against either:

    An individual’s voluntary exercise of this right or
    A person or entity that assists an individual exercising this right
    unless the State demonstrates that it is using the least restrictive means to advance the individual’s health in accordance with widely accepted and evidence-based standards of care.

    However, abortion may be prohibited after fetal viability. But in no case may such an abortion be prohibited if in the professional judgment of the pregnant patient’s treating physician it is necessary to protect the pregnant patient’s life or health.

    C. As used in this Section:

    “Fetal viability” means “the point in a pregnancy when, in the professional judgment of the pregnant patient’s treating physician, the fetus has a significant likelihood of survival outside the uterus with reasonable measures. This is determined on a case-by-case basis.”
    “State” includes any governmental entity and any political subdivision.
    D. This Section is self-executing.

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    • JollyJ Offline
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      I'm the patient's physician and I don't think a 30 week old fetus can survive outside of the womb.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • MikM Offline
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        Exactly. It essentially codifies abortion up until birth. Maybe after. “Well, it looked kind of puny, so we didn’t think it’d survive”

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          In other, more local news, a friend's daughter just delivered at 28 weeks. Baby weighed 2.6 pounds. As of right now, babe is doing ok in NICU.

          Back in 1980, when I got into the hospital biz...

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            My twin nieces were just over 2 lbs each when delivered prematurely. They were in NICU for a few weeks but they did ok.

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            • MikM Mik

              My twin nieces were just over 2 lbs each when delivered prematurely. They were in NICU for a few weeks but they did ok.

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              • JollyJ Jolly

                I'm the patient's physician and I don't think a 30 week old fetus can survive outside of the womb.

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                @Jolly said in Ohio Issue 1:

                I'm the patient's physician and I don't think a 30 week old fetus can survive outside of the womb.

                Certainly possible if you consider all sorts of fetal deformities, anll manners of genetic mutations, all sorts of things that can go wrong in a fetus’ development process, etc. See, for example, https://nodebb.the-new-coffee-room.club/topic/24081/forced-to-carry-a-baby-to-term-with-no-kidneys

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                  So you want the benevolent government to decide on which one is or is not viable?

                  You trust the benevolent government more than the individual patient and the individual doctor, is that it?

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                  • MikM Offline
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                    Once again, the point flies right over your head.

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                      Language barrier.

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        Misinformation from a state Senator:

                        https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/ohio-gop-candidate-bernie-moreno-issue-1-rapist-force-woman-abortion-rcna122856

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