To Mask or Not To Mask?

[George K]

@jon-nyc said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:

Thanks but I'm looking for Horace's interpretation.

[Horace]

@jon-nyc said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:

When you say she’s a ‘Karen’ what do you mean by that?

The insult reminded me of something a cool girl in high school or college might say to sick-burn someone, and so I assumed the tweeter had been such a girl, and further that she's maintained that identity into her adulthood, and probably feels herself separate from the Karens that everybody makes fun of. And I further extrapolated that she's probably a pretty decent dead center Karen as far as the common usage goes.

[Catseye3]

She's a mean piece, I'll give her that.

[jon-nyc]

@Horace said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:

The insult reminded me of something a cool girl in high school or college might say to sick-burn someone, and so I assumed the tweeter had been such a girl, and further that she's maintained that identity into her adulthood, and probably feels herself separate from the Karens that everybody makes fun of. And I further extrapolated that she's probably a pretty decent dead center Karen as far as the common usage goes.

I thought the standard usage was for a middle aged, reasonably well off white woman expressing entitlement. Like soccer mom or college mom, not a young girl like this.

It’s true there are people who use it to express animus toward white women in general or white women they disagree with, but I didn’t expect you to be among them, hence the question.

[Horace]

@jon-nyc I think it's interesting to consider the number of Karens close enough to the center of the definition to at least get some splash damage, who are part of the culture that gave rise to and encourages the hatred and racism behind the concept of a Karen.

[Horace]

And if you look at the rest of the twitter feed of that young lady, you will see that she is dead center of the progressive culture that invented the concept of Karens.

[Aqua Letifer]

@Horace said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:

And if you look at the rest of the twitter feed of that young lady, you will see that she is dead center of the progressive culture that invented the concept of Karens.

I'm in support of Karen-as-insult. It's not like "soccer mom," which implies having kids and accommodating their schedules is lame. The Karen thing criticizes behavior that should be criticized, referencing a demographic that usually engages in such.

[Doctor Phibes]

I don't like the Karen insult. It seems to get regularly hijacked to basically have a go at women who stand up for themselves.

[Horace]

@Aqua-Letifer said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:

@Horace said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:

And if you look at the rest of the twitter feed of that young lady, you will see that she is dead center of the progressive culture that invented the concept of Karens.

I'm in support of Karen-as-insult. It's not like "soccer mom," which implies having kids and accommodating their schedules is lame. The Karen thing criticizes behavior that should be criticized, referencing a demographic that usually engages in such.

Nothing correlates with wokeness more than privilege. So when woke people talk of Karens, they are talking of another slightly different version of themselves. What is wokeness if not a cultural cop named Karen?

[jon-nyc]

That's fine, you're just using it in the expansive 'white girl I don't like' sense, which in your case means white woke progressives.

[Horace]

No, it was more subtle than that, but it's fine that you didn't follow that part. There was the unintentional splash damage of an explosive device she encourages.

[jon-nyc]

The idea that it wasn't you that expressed animus towards her, rather it was a splash from the culture, strikes me as - how should I put it? - a less than Vulcan level of self awareness.

[Horace]

Except I never claimed not to have animus towards her, jon. Can you point me to where I said that, oh objective one?

[jon-nyc]

You didn't state it, it just seemed to me you were trying to duck owning it.

If you say you weren't, that's good enough for me.

[Horace]

You think I try to duck ownership of an animus towards white woke progressives? Do you need another coffee or something?

[jon-nyc]

Of course. I will die not having had enough coffee.

[jon-nyc]

[George K]

@jon-nyc said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:

The idea that it wasn't you that expressed animus towards her, rather it was a splash from the culture, strikes me as - how should I put it? - a less than Vulcan level of self awareness.

DaFuq????

Did @jon-nyc just make a Star Trek reference???

[Horace]

It was a WTF reference. Wtg said she was so objective and fact-based that she was basically Spock, and I raised my eyebrow (see what I did there?) at that. So jon tried to flip it back on me because jon sticks up for his friends, even the profoundly sanctimonious and pretentious among them.

[Jolly]

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