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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
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    #1

    https://komonews.com/news/nation-world/jury-releases-verdict-against-men-accused-of-plotting-to-kidnap-governor-whitmer#

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • HoraceH Offline
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      Horace
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      #2

      So, what's the story? I know nothing of the trial, but I sniff entrapment.

      Education is extremely important.

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      • JollyJ Offline
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        Jolly
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        #3

        I think they got convictions on some charges on five of nine defendants (IIRC). There was heavy FBI involvement in ginning the whole thing up.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • LuFins DadL Offline
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          LuFins Dad
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          #4

          Would have thought this would be bigger news.

          The Brad

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          • HoraceH Offline
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            Horace
            wrote on last edited by
            #5

            It's pretty fucked up if some guys got indicted and prosecuted after having been roped into a scheme by the feds, only to have too little evidence to even convict them.

            Education is extremely important.

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            • HoraceH Horace

              It's pretty fucked up if some guys got indicted and prosecuted after having been roped into a scheme by the feds, only to have too little evidence to even convict them.

              LuFins DadL Offline
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              LuFins Dad
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              #6

              @Horace said in Not Guilty:

              It's pretty fucked up if some guys got indicted and prosecuted after having been roped into a scheme by the feds, only to have too little evidence to even convict them.

              Yeah. Trump’s FBI looks pretty bad in this.

              The Brad

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              • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                @Horace said in Not Guilty:

                It's pretty fucked up if some guys got indicted and prosecuted after having been roped into a scheme by the feds, only to have too little evidence to even convict them.

                Yeah. Trump’s FBI looks pretty bad in this.

                HoraceH Offline
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                Horace
                wrote on last edited by
                #7

                @LuFins-Dad said in Not Guilty:

                @Horace said in Not Guilty:

                It's pretty fucked up if some guys got indicted and prosecuted after having been roped into a scheme by the feds, only to have too little evidence to even convict them.

                Yeah. Trump’s FBI looks pretty bad in this.

                It's my understanding that it's the deep state's FBI.

                Education is extremely important.

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                • HoraceH Horace

                  @LuFins-Dad said in Not Guilty:

                  @Horace said in Not Guilty:

                  It's pretty fucked up if some guys got indicted and prosecuted after having been roped into a scheme by the feds, only to have too little evidence to even convict them.

                  Yeah. Trump’s FBI looks pretty bad in this.

                  It's my understanding that it's the deep state's FBI.

                  LuFins DadL Offline
                  LuFins DadL Offline
                  LuFins Dad
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                  #8

                  @Horace said in Not Guilty:

                  @LuFins-Dad said in Not Guilty:

                  @Horace said in Not Guilty:

                  It's pretty fucked up if some guys got indicted and prosecuted after having been roped into a scheme by the feds, only to have too little evidence to even convict them.

                  Yeah. Trump’s FBI looks pretty bad in this.

                  It's my understanding that it's the deep state's FBI.

                  Couldn’t be. Trump drained that swamp. He said so..

                  The Brad

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                  • jon-nycJ Offline
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                    #9

                    Was that before or after he appointed Christopher Wray and David Weiss?

                    Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                    • HoraceH Offline
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                      Horace
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                      I don't think there is much evidence that Trump appointees remain loyal to the "cult leader", over time. It's not my impression that they even start out with any meaningful personal loyalty. Which is as it should be.

                      Education is extremely important.

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                        George K
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                        It raises an interesting question. How much knowledge does POTUS have about his "appointees?" Weiss was nominated by both (D) senators from Delaware. Of the hundreds of approved nominations awaiting POTUS' signature every year, how many get his careful scrutiny? I'd guess fewer than the number of fingers I have on both (if not one) hand.

                        Biden has, so far, "nominated" 71 US attorneys. That's about than 2 1/2 per month.

                        Trump "nominated" 86 US attorneys, a bit less than two per month.

                        My guess is that his handlers advisors say, "Hey, Mr. President, this sounds like a good guy. Sign here."

                        In the case of high-profile noms, like Wray, I'm sure there's more scrutiny, of course.

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • LuFins DadL Offline
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                          LuFins Dad
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                          #12

                          The buck stops and all that. The effectiveness and success of an administration is completely dependent on the staff that the Executive puts together and then on the staff that they put together down the line. It’s possible to miss on an appointment or two, but the absolute failure and miss on such a large number of Trump appointments comes back to an institutional failure on the part of that administration.

                          And the fact is that there were already so many issues with the FBI showing a deep-seated political bias in the top law enforcement agency, that reforming the FBI should have been a priority that the administration was actively involved in and overseeing. Not just appoint a new director and leave it be…

                          The Brad

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                          • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                            The buck stops and all that. The effectiveness and success of an administration is completely dependent on the staff that the Executive puts together and then on the staff that they put together down the line. It’s possible to miss on an appointment or two, but the absolute failure and miss on such a large number of Trump appointments comes back to an institutional failure on the part of that administration.

                            And the fact is that there were already so many issues with the FBI showing a deep-seated political bias in the top law enforcement agency, that reforming the FBI should have been a priority that the administration was actively involved in and overseeing. Not just appoint a new director and leave it be…

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                            @LuFins-Dad said in Not Guilty:

                            the absolute failure and miss on such a large number of Trump appointments comes back to an institutional failure on the part of that administration.

                            Yes. I've read that the possibility of removing/replacing "civil service" non-political jobs is remote. These "servants" are well-entrenched, and protected by all kinds of regulations/laws. There's a movement afoot to make it even more difficult.

                            "Sorry, Mr. President, you can't fire him. He's 'civil service' not political."

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            • George KG George K

                              @LuFins-Dad said in Not Guilty:

                              the absolute failure and miss on such a large number of Trump appointments comes back to an institutional failure on the part of that administration.

                              Yes. I've read that the possibility of removing/replacing "civil service" non-political jobs is remote. These "servants" are well-entrenched, and protected by all kinds of regulations/laws. There's a movement afoot to make it even more difficult.

                              "Sorry, Mr. President, you can't fire him. He's 'civil service' not political."

                              LuFins DadL Offline
                              LuFins DadL Offline
                              LuFins Dad
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                              #14

                              @George-K said in Not Guilty:

                              @LuFins-Dad said in Not Guilty:

                              the absolute failure and miss on such a large number of Trump appointments comes back to an institutional failure on the part of that administration.

                              Yes. I've read that the possibility of removing/replacing "civil service" non-political jobs is remote. These "servants" are well-entrenched, and protected by all kinds of regulations/laws. There's a movement afoot to make it even more difficult.

                              "Sorry, Mr. President, you can't fire him. He's 'civil service' not political."

                              But Trump is a WARRIOR that will/did drain the swamp!

                              Sorry, but being hard is not an excuse. You still run the probes. You still promote the candidates that will implement the reforms that need instituted, and you identify the barriers. There are plenty of offices and assignments that can be given to limit the harm and damage these “servants” can do. You don’t shrug and say “the lawyers won’t let me, but I was going to do it anyway but COVID!”

                              Man, did Trump come across as a whiny bitch in that Megyn Kelly interview, or what?

                              The Brad

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                              • HoraceH Horace

                                So, what's the story? I know nothing of the trial, but I sniff entrapment.

                                JollyJ Offline
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                                wrote on last edited by
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                                @Horace said in Not Guilty:

                                So, what's the story? I know nothing of the trial, but I sniff entrapment.

                                Not a bad synopsis...

                                https://www.declassified.live/p/another-whitmer-fednapping-case-goes

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                • JollyJ Jolly

                                  @Horace said in Not Guilty:

                                  So, what's the story? I know nothing of the trial, but I sniff entrapment.

                                  Not a bad synopsis...

                                  https://www.declassified.live/p/another-whitmer-fednapping-case-goes

                                  HoraceH Offline
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                                  Horace
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #16

                                  @Jolly said in Not Guilty:

                                  @Horace said in Not Guilty:

                                  So, what's the story? I know nothing of the trial, but I sniff entrapment.

                                  Not a bad synopsis...

                                  https://www.declassified.live/p/another-whitmer-fednapping-case-goes

                                  Thanks. That's egregious on the part of the FBI.

                                  Education is extremely important.

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