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I don’t really think they’ll be able to convict Trump…

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  • George KG George K

    @taiwan_girl said in I don’t really think they’ll be able to convict Trump…:

    • Investigation is done
    • Results of the investigation are given to the attorney
    • Attorney department decides if there is enough evidence to prove a crime
    • Shows investigation results/evidence to a grand jury
    • Grand jury decides if what they have seen indicate a crime has been committed
    • If yes, they indict and the case goest to trial
    • At trial, both sides present and a judge or jury determines innocent or guilty

    And #3 on your list presumes a "reasonable prosecutor" who will bring the case to a grand jury. This is where political non-prosecution dies.

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    @George-K Agree. But I do think that overall, the US system "works". There are enough check/balances. If the investigation/evidence was that bad, then the grand jury would not move forward.

    (Yes, I know that the grand jury is heavily bias to the prosecution, but.....)

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    • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

      @George-K Agree. But I do think that overall, the US system "works". There are enough check/balances. If the investigation/evidence was that bad, then the grand jury would not move forward.

      (Yes, I know that the grand jury is heavily bias to the prosecution, but.....)

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      @taiwan_girl said in I don’t really think they’ll be able to convict Trump…:

      There are enough check/balances. If the investigation/evidence was that bad, then the grand jury would not move forward.

      I think you missed my point. You have to have a "reasonable prosecutor" to even bring the case before a grand jury. If he doesn't, it dies.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        Secondly, go talk to some folks defended by the Public Defender's office.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          Secondly, go talk to some folks defended by the Public Defender's office.

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          @Jolly said in I don’t really think they’ll be able to convict Trump…:

          Secondly, go talk to some folks defended by the Public Defender's office.

          Money talks. For sure, if I did a crime, I would have a much better chance to get off if I could hire my own lawyer, investigators, expert witness, etc.

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            President Trump on Hugh Hewitt show earlier this week

            QUOTE
            In an interview on “The Hugh Hewitt Show” that dropped Wednesday, the host asked Trump, “Did you direct anyone to move the boxes, Mr. President? Did you tell anyone to move the boxes?” referring to the boxes of more than 300 classified documents the federal government seized last year from Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate.

            “I don’t talk about anything. You know why? Because I’m allowed to do whatever I want. I come under the Presidential Records Act,” Trump replied, while also taking a quick detour to bash Hewitt. “I’m not telling you. You know, every time I talk to you, ‘Oh, I have a breaking story.’ You don’t have any story. I come under the Presidential Records Act. I’m allowed to do everything I did.”
            UNQUOTE

            ANd I shake my head yet again.

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              George K
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              The worst thing anyone can do, when accused of a crime, is to talk about it.

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • MikM Away
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                What if he’s right? I really don’t know.

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                • MikM Mik

                  What if he’s right? I really don’t know.

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                  @Mik said in I don’t really think they’ll be able to convict Trump…:

                  What if he’s right? I really don’t know.

                  https://www.archives.gov/about/laws/presidential-records.html#2203

                  From the Presidential Records act

                  g)(1) Upon the conclusion of a President’s term of office, or if a President serves consecutive terms upon the conclusion of the last term, the Archivist of the United States shall assume responsibility for the custody, control, and preservation of, and access to, the Presidential records of that President. The Archivist shall have an affirmative duty to make such records available to the public as rapidly and completely as possible consistent with the provisions of this chapter.

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                    TG, an excerpt from a law is not dispositive.

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    • MikM Mik

                      What if he’s right? I really don’t know.

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                      @Mik said in I don’t really think they’ll be able to convict Trump…:

                      What if he’s right? I really don’t know.

                      You think he does?

                      Trump may be many things. Detail oriented isn't one of them.

                      I was only joking

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                        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/justices-to-decide-whether-to-take-the-trump-14th-amendment-case/ar-AA1ghAUJ?cvid=762981a4c61b4635f32769dc914283b7&ocid=winp2fptaskbarhover&ei=5

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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