Everything is either racist or far-right
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wrote on 21 Jul 2023, 14:25 last edited by
Frilly dresses and white supremacy: welcome to the weird, frightening world of ‘trad wives’
n some more traditional relationships (but not all) the man disciplines the woman either physically (like spanking) or with things like writing lines and standing in the corner,” one woman advises another on the Red Pill Women forum, an online community of rightwing, anti-feminist women.
Welcome to the weird and frightening world of trad wives, where women spurn modern, egalitarian values to dedicate their lives to the service of their husbands. My research into this far-right subculture began during the writing of my book on the far right and reproductive rights. I was curious to learn how the movement, determined to reduce women to reproductive vessels to aid white male supremacy, recruited women to its cause. The answer was a toxic combination of anti-feminism, white supremacy, normalised abuse and a desire to return to an imagined past.
Trad wives can be traced back to the Red Pill Women forum that was set up in 2013. According to research from Julia Ebner in 2020, 30,000 women identified as Red Pill Women or trad wives. As with most far-right trends, most of them appear to be in the US, but due to the networked nature of the modern far right, trends that start stateside don’t remain there. Interviews I conducted revealed that the British far right encourages its women to be trad, with women attending nationalist conferences such as the annual Patriotic Alternative conference, and making a name for themselves on the far-right infosphere.
The subculture shares aesthetics and values across the Atlantic. Long, floral dresses are the norm, idealising a mythic past of feminine modesty. Women should be covered up, as their bodies are just for their husbands. A woman’s role is to stay at home, serving her spouse domestically and sexually, while her partner goes to work to support her. Men should “discipline” women.
I forgot misogynistic. Sorry.
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wrote on 21 Jul 2023, 14:29 last edited by
All lifestyle choices are respectable, except the ones made by people who identify as conservative.
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wrote on 21 Jul 2023, 14:53 last edited by
Silly me, I always thought women's liberation meant they could make their own choices. Instead, it's a cafeteria plan with limited options.
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Frilly dresses and white supremacy: welcome to the weird, frightening world of ‘trad wives’
n some more traditional relationships (but not all) the man disciplines the woman either physically (like spanking) or with things like writing lines and standing in the corner,” one woman advises another on the Red Pill Women forum, an online community of rightwing, anti-feminist women.
Welcome to the weird and frightening world of trad wives, where women spurn modern, egalitarian values to dedicate their lives to the service of their husbands. My research into this far-right subculture began during the writing of my book on the far right and reproductive rights. I was curious to learn how the movement, determined to reduce women to reproductive vessels to aid white male supremacy, recruited women to its cause. The answer was a toxic combination of anti-feminism, white supremacy, normalised abuse and a desire to return to an imagined past.
Trad wives can be traced back to the Red Pill Women forum that was set up in 2013. According to research from Julia Ebner in 2020, 30,000 women identified as Red Pill Women or trad wives. As with most far-right trends, most of them appear to be in the US, but due to the networked nature of the modern far right, trends that start stateside don’t remain there. Interviews I conducted revealed that the British far right encourages its women to be trad, with women attending nationalist conferences such as the annual Patriotic Alternative conference, and making a name for themselves on the far-right infosphere.
The subculture shares aesthetics and values across the Atlantic. Long, floral dresses are the norm, idealising a mythic past of feminine modesty. Women should be covered up, as their bodies are just for their husbands. A woman’s role is to stay at home, serving her spouse domestically and sexually, while her partner goes to work to support her. Men should “discipline” women.
I forgot misogynistic. Sorry.
wrote on 21 Jul 2023, 19:42 last edited by@George-K said in Everything is either racist or far-right:
Long, floral dresses are the norm, idealising a mythic past of feminine modesty.
Modesty this, jerkoffs.
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Silly me, I always thought women's liberation meant they could make their own choices. Instead, it's a cafeteria plan with limited options.
wrote on 21 Jul 2023, 20:44 last edited by@Mik said in Everything is either racist or far-right:
Silly me, I always thought women's liberation meant they could make their own choices. Instead, it's a cafeteria plan with limited options.
"If a male enjoys dressing up and behaving like a woman, he was born that way. If a female enjoys dressing up and behaving like a woman, she was brainwashed by society."
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wrote on 21 Jul 2023, 21:08 last edited by
Good observation.
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wrote on 21 Jul 2023, 21:54 last edited by
It has been my observation over the years, that a certain subset of women would like all other women to be as miserable as they are...
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@George-K said in Everything is either racist or far-right:
Long, floral dresses are the norm, idealising a mythic past of feminine modesty.
Modesty this, jerkoffs.
wrote on 22 Jul 2023, 00:56 last edited by@Catseye3 said in Everything is either racist or far-right:
@George-K said in Everything is either racist or far-right:
Long, floral dresses are the norm, idealising a mythic past of feminine modesty.
Modesty this, jerkoffs.
You don't like long, floral dresses? Don't hold back, tell us what you really think!
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Silly me, I always thought women's liberation meant they could make their own choices. Instead, it's a cafeteria plan with limited options.
wrote on 22 Jul 2023, 01:54 last edited by@Mik said in Everything is either racist or far-right:
Silly me, I always thought women's liberation meant they could make their own choices. Instead, it's a cafeteria plan with limited options.
"Any Colour You Like"
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@Mik said in Everything is either racist or far-right:
Silly me, I always thought women's liberation meant they could make their own choices. Instead, it's a cafeteria plan with limited options.
"If a male enjoys dressing up and behaving like a woman, he was born that way. If a female enjoys dressing up and behaving like a woman, she was brainwashed by society."
wrote on 22 Jul 2023, 15:06 last edited by@George-K said in Everything is either racist or far-right:
@Mik said in Everything is either racist or far-right:
Silly me, I always thought women's liberation meant they could make their own choices. Instead, it's a cafeteria plan with limited options.
"If a male enjoys dressing up and behaving like a woman, he was born that way. If a female enjoys dressing up and behaving like a woman, she was brainwashed by society."
That is maybe the best observation I have seen on the subject. Men are celebrated for adopting the most ridiculous caricatures and fetishized visions of what being a woman is. A woman that decides that she would like to adopt the ideals of our grandparents in what a husband/wife relationship are belittled and abused… We can recognize that we didn’t live up to those ideals without dismissing those ideals…