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  • MikM Offline
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    Mik
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    #6

    I know that. But there are a lot listed for them to think about.

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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    • JollyJ Offline
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      #7

      Depends on how much time they want to devote to pursuing the new career.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • MikM Mik

        https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/finding-a-job/healthcare-jobs-that-pay-well

        LuFins DadL Offline
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        @Mik said in Hey Jolly (And other folks who know lab stuff):

        https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/finding-a-job/healthcare-jobs-that-pay-well

        1. Pharmacist
          National average salary: $126,626 per hour

        That’s at least 10% more than @George-K made.

        The Brad

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        • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

          @Mik said in Hey Jolly (And other folks who know lab stuff):

          https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/finding-a-job/healthcare-jobs-that-pay-well

          1. Pharmacist
            National average salary: $126,626 per hour

          That’s at least 10% more than @George-K made.

          George KG Offline
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          George K
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          #9

          @LuFins-Dad said in Hey Jolly (And other folks who know lab stuff):

          That’s at least 10% more than @George-K made...

          ...in a day!

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • LuFins DadL Offline
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            LuFins Dad
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            #10
            1. Registered nurse anesthetist

            That’s what Lucas is debating… That or Certified Anesthetist Assistant. They are actually two very similar roles with two very different paths and options. The CRNA role requires a Bachelor’s in Nursing, 1 year in acute care giving, and a 2 year CRNA Graduate program. The CAA programs require a Bachelor’s in biology or equivalent, then a 2 year graduate degree.

            Lucas is on the CAA track (Molecular/Cellular Biology Major), but he’s considering switching over to a CRNA track because 1) there is a very intense political battle and CRNA lobbies have been able to keep CAA’s unable to practice in 29 states (though the CAA’s have made progress in the last 5 years), and 2) CRNA’s are making ~ $10K more per year.

            On the other side, he wouldn’t have to switch majors (likely costing him another year for his bachelor’s), he wouldn’t need to spend a year as an acute care giver, and he would have an easier path to go to Medical School in the future if he decided he wanted to (which is somewhat important to him). While the states he can work in is somewhat limited, the options are expanding, and he could also work at a VA facility anywhere in the country.

            I’ve advised him not to worry about the pay difference as that would be more than offset by getting into his profession 2 years earlier and having one less year of tuition. But the limited employment options is worth considering. We will see.

            The Brad

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            • JollyJ Offline
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              If he doesn't mind moving, the VA can offer opportunities into management.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                #12

                Jolly, do you have any recommendations when it comes to labwork? (Keep in mind my wife's not exactly Lucas' age. Taking classes for 10+ years is absolutely on the table as long as it can be alongside a paid gig. Otherwise, eh, options may be limited.)

                Please love yourself.

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                  #13

                  The money won't be what you'd like, but an A.D. degreed MLT can go to work and complete most, if not all, of their B.S online. That's what a lot of guys do.

                  Do take a look at passage rates on certification exams. The ASCP is the most recognized and the most portable. Some states have licensure boards, but IIRC, all have reciprocity except for California and Florida.

                  Nurses are in the same boat. I assume all take the NCLEX, and the B.S. can be finished on-line. Don't know about reciprocity between state licenses. If your wife is a good student, some of those guys work as nurse techs in their last year.

                  Rad Techs can also be job ready in two years with an A.D. degree. Don't know about the salary structure right now. Probably the most money goes to the Dosimetrists.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • JollyJ Jolly

                    The money won't be what you'd like, but an A.D. degreed MLT can go to work and complete most, if not all, of their B.S online. That's what a lot of guys do.

                    Do take a look at passage rates on certification exams. The ASCP is the most recognized and the most portable. Some states have licensure boards, but IIRC, all have reciprocity except for California and Florida.

                    Nurses are in the same boat. I assume all take the NCLEX, and the B.S. can be finished on-line. Don't know about reciprocity between state licenses. If your wife is a good student, some of those guys work as nurse techs in their last year.

                    Rad Techs can also be job ready in two years with an A.D. degree. Don't know about the salary structure right now. Probably the most money goes to the Dosimetrists.

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                    @Jolly said in Hey Jolly (And other folks who know lab stuff):

                    Nurses are in the same boat. I assume all take the NCLEX, and the B.S. can be finished on-line.

                    Our place enacted a policy that all nurses must have a BS (or BSN) degree. No one was grandfathered in, although those without a bachelor's degree were given a time limit in which the BS must be completed.

                    Gettin a job as a nurse, without a BS might be difficult today.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • George KG George K

                      @Jolly said in Hey Jolly (And other folks who know lab stuff):

                      Nurses are in the same boat. I assume all take the NCLEX, and the B.S. can be finished on-line.

                      Our place enacted a policy that all nurses must have a BS (or BSN) degree. No one was grandfathered in, although those without a bachelor's degree were given a time limit in which the BS must be completed.

                      Gettin a job as a nurse, without a BS might be difficult today.

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                      @George-K said in Hey Jolly (And other folks who know lab stuff):

                      @Jolly said in Hey Jolly (And other folks who know lab stuff):

                      Nurses are in the same boat. I assume all take the NCLEX, and the B.S. can be finished on-line.

                      Our place enacted a policy that all nurses must have a BS (or BSN) degree. No one was grandfathered in, although those without a bachelor's degree were given a time limit in which the BS must be completed.

                      Gettin a job as a nurse, without a BS might be difficult today.

                      With a Bachelor’s in something else, it would be 2 years to get your nursing BS, no?

                      The Brad

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                      • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                        @George-K said in Hey Jolly (And other folks who know lab stuff):

                        @Jolly said in Hey Jolly (And other folks who know lab stuff):

                        Nurses are in the same boat. I assume all take the NCLEX, and the B.S. can be finished on-line.

                        Our place enacted a policy that all nurses must have a BS (or BSN) degree. No one was grandfathered in, although those without a bachelor's degree were given a time limit in which the BS must be completed.

                        Gettin a job as a nurse, without a BS might be difficult today.

                        With a Bachelor’s in something else, it would be 2 years to get your nursing BS, no?

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                        @LuFins-Dad said in Hey Jolly (And other folks who know lab stuff):

                        With a Bachelor’s in something else, it would be 2 years to get your nursing BS, no?

                        Back in the day, an RN was a 3 year program. Mrs. George got her Bachelor's at night and I think it took an additional 2 years.

                        However, today, a RN/BSN program is 4 years, I believe. Same as any Bachelor's degree.

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • George KG George K

                          @LuFins-Dad said in Hey Jolly (And other folks who know lab stuff):

                          With a Bachelor’s in something else, it would be 2 years to get your nursing BS, no?

                          Back in the day, an RN was a 3 year program. Mrs. George got her Bachelor's at night and I think it took an additional 2 years.

                          However, today, a RN/BSN program is 4 years, I believe. Same as any Bachelor's degree.

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                          @George-K said in Hey Jolly (And other folks who know lab stuff):

                          @LuFins-Dad said in Hey Jolly (And other folks who know lab stuff):

                          With a Bachelor’s in something else, it would be 2 years to get your nursing BS, no?

                          Back in the day, an RN was a 3 year program. Mrs. George got her Bachelor's at night and I think it took an additional 2 years.

                          However, today, a RN/BSN program is 4 years, I believe. Same as any Bachelor's degree.

                          Right, but there are/is overlapping course credits/requirements that cut that down.

                          The Brad

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                            George, did you notice a difference in nursing care from a BSN vs. a kindhearted, empathetic and smart nurse with "only" an associate degree? I do wonder if from the patient's perspective and then from the Doctor's perspective, did nursing improve over the years as the requirements for becoming an RN were based upon the bachelor's degree?

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                              George, did you notice a difference in nursing care from a BSN vs. a kindhearted, empathetic and smart nurse with "only" an associate degree? I do wonder if from the patient's perspective and then from the Doctor's perspective, did nursing improve over the years as the requirements for becoming an RN were based upon the bachelor's degree?

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                              @Rainman said in Hey Jolly (And other folks who know lab stuff):

                              George, did you notice a difference in nursing care from a BSN vs. a kindhearted, empathetic and smart nurse with "only" an associate degree?

                              None whatsoever.

                              "Back in the day," the only ones that wanted a BSN were those who aspired to be clipboard-carriers.

                              But...care became more fragmented, so that tasks traditionally attributed ("back in the day") to a nurse - bathing, bringing water, turning, etc - were transferred to a Nurses' Aid or LPN. The actual "nurse" was more the person who distributed meds, communicated with the docs, etc.

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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