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      @LuFins-Dad ( P)resident uniter.

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      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        Does he know the Supreme Court was involved?

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          Someone attempted to point out the hypocrisy of Kavanaugh. Apparently, he had a substantial amount of debt (credit card and others) that was forgiven. He voiced no complaint at that time.

          AFAIK, that debt wasn't paid with taxpayer funds, was it?

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            Someone attempted to point out the hypocrisy of Kavanaugh. Apparently, he had a substantial amount of debt (credit card and others) that was forgiven. He voiced no complaint at that time.

            AFAIK, that debt wasn't paid with taxpayer funds, was it?

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            @George-K said in Friday SCOTUS - Student Loan Forgiveness:

            Someone attempted to point out the hypocrisy of Kavanaugh. Apparently, he had a substantial amount of debt (credit card and others) that was forgiven. He voiced no complaint at that time.

            AFAIK, that debt wasn't paid with taxpayer funds, was it?

            According to google, his disappeared debt is little more than a conspiracy theory meant to damage him politically. In any case, it has nothing to do with governmental debt forgiveness.

            https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-supreme-court-judge-brett-kavanaughs-100k-debt-disappear-1785043

            Education is extremely important.

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              @Doctor-Phibes said in Friday SCOTUS - Student Loan Forgiveness:

              They'd be much better off spending the money on expanding the opportunities for lower-cost, high quality higher education.

              Yeah, I imagine half a trillion dollars might go a long way.

              Another point...

              The loan forgiveness is, for most, $10,000. Is that amount of debt-relief "life-changing?" Granted, it's nice, but...it's not a huge amount of money. I suppose, with interest it adds up, tho.

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              @George-K said in Friday SCOTUS - Student Loan Forgiveness:

              @Doctor-Phibes said in Friday SCOTUS - Student Loan Forgiveness:

              They'd be much better off spending the money on expanding the opportunities for lower-cost, high quality higher education.

              Yeah, I imagine half a trillion dollars might go a long way.

              Another point...

              The loan forgiveness is, for most, $10,000. Is that amount of debt-relief "life-changing?" Granted, it's nice, but...it's not a huge amount of money. I suppose, with interest it adds up, tho.

              Only if you’re stupid enough to pay the minimum, just like credit cards. My daughter has $40k in grad school loans. One of the conversations we will have this week is why it is important to pay it off as fast as possible.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                @LuFins-Dad ( P)resident uniter.

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                @George-K said in Friday SCOTUS - Student Loan Forgiveness:

                @LuFins-Dad ( P)resident uniter.

                The reporter brings up a good point. Biden himself has stated the President does NOT have that type of power. He knew when this started that it wasn’t going to fly. He did capriciously give false hope to millions of Americans, most of whom are now angry at the wrong people…

                The Brad

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                • MikM Mik

                  @George-K said in Friday SCOTUS - Student Loan Forgiveness:

                  @Doctor-Phibes said in Friday SCOTUS - Student Loan Forgiveness:

                  They'd be much better off spending the money on expanding the opportunities for lower-cost, high quality higher education.

                  Yeah, I imagine half a trillion dollars might go a long way.

                  Another point...

                  The loan forgiveness is, for most, $10,000. Is that amount of debt-relief "life-changing?" Granted, it's nice, but...it's not a huge amount of money. I suppose, with interest it adds up, tho.

                  Only if you’re stupid enough to pay the minimum, just like credit cards. My daughter has $40k in grad school loans. One of the conversations we will have this week is why it is important to pay it off as fast as possible.

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                  @Mik said in Friday SCOTUS - Student Loan Forgiveness:

                  @George-K said in Friday SCOTUS - Student Loan Forgiveness:

                  @Doctor-Phibes said in Friday SCOTUS - Student Loan Forgiveness:

                  They'd be much better off spending the money on expanding the opportunities for lower-cost, high quality higher education.

                  Yeah, I imagine half a trillion dollars might go a long way.

                  Another point...

                  The loan forgiveness is, for most, $10,000. Is that amount of debt-relief "life-changing?" Granted, it's nice, but...it's not a huge amount of money. I suppose, with interest it adds up, tho.

                  Only if you’re stupid enough to pay the minimum, just like credit cards. My daughter has $40k in grad school loans. One of the conversations we will have this week is why it is important to pay it off as fast as possible.

                  I’m not going to say “stupid enough”… Sally Mae is a predatory lender. The things they pull are illegal in other banking/credit/loan industries and they do take advantage of kid’s naïveté. They do not list on their portal what the monthly interest accrual is, there is no amortization table given, and they try to recommend payback plans that don’t cover the interest to let it capitalize. Beyond that, they repeatedly solicit the kids to take out more in their loan to cover computers, cars, and even off campus housing.

                  I’m glad this was overturned, but it’s time the two most significant problems in student debt are addressed. Administrative bloat at the universities and predatory loan practices for the student. We also need to address the Pell Grant. I really think they need to applucable only for Community Colleges or Trade Schools for the first two years following HS. They can be applied to a 4 year school after you have shown an ability to maintain a 2.0 GPA for two years. It will set more kids up for greater success. And they need to promote that the grants can be used for plumbing school, nursing school, HVAC, and other 2 year degree programs.

                  The Brad

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                  • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                    @Mik said in Friday SCOTUS - Student Loan Forgiveness:

                    @George-K said in Friday SCOTUS - Student Loan Forgiveness:

                    @Doctor-Phibes said in Friday SCOTUS - Student Loan Forgiveness:

                    They'd be much better off spending the money on expanding the opportunities for lower-cost, high quality higher education.

                    Yeah, I imagine half a trillion dollars might go a long way.

                    Another point...

                    The loan forgiveness is, for most, $10,000. Is that amount of debt-relief "life-changing?" Granted, it's nice, but...it's not a huge amount of money. I suppose, with interest it adds up, tho.

                    Only if you’re stupid enough to pay the minimum, just like credit cards. My daughter has $40k in grad school loans. One of the conversations we will have this week is why it is important to pay it off as fast as possible.

                    I’m not going to say “stupid enough”… Sally Mae is a predatory lender. The things they pull are illegal in other banking/credit/loan industries and they do take advantage of kid’s naïveté. They do not list on their portal what the monthly interest accrual is, there is no amortization table given, and they try to recommend payback plans that don’t cover the interest to let it capitalize. Beyond that, they repeatedly solicit the kids to take out more in their loan to cover computers, cars, and even off campus housing.

                    I’m glad this was overturned, but it’s time the two most significant problems in student debt are addressed. Administrative bloat at the universities and predatory loan practices for the student. We also need to address the Pell Grant. I really think they need to applucable only for Community Colleges or Trade Schools for the first two years following HS. They can be applied to a 4 year school after you have shown an ability to maintain a 2.0 GPA for two years. It will set more kids up for greater success. And they need to promote that the grants can be used for plumbing school, nursing school, HVAC, and other 2 year degree programs.

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                    @LuFins-Dad said in Friday SCOTUS - Student Loan Forgiveness:

                    I’m glad this was overturned, but it’s time the two most significant problems in student debt are addressed. Administrative bloat at the universities and predatory loan practices for the student. We also need to address the Pell Grant. I really think they need to applucable only for Community Colleges or Trade Schools for the first two years following HS. They can be applied to a 4 year school after you have shown an ability to maintain a 2.0 GPA for two years. It will set more kids up for greater success. And they need to promote that the grants can be used for plumbing school, nursing school, HVAC, and other 2 year degree programs.

                    Pretty much. The only change I would make, would be to tie the ACT or SAT to the Pell Grant...If your ACT or SAT is above a certain number, you can use the Pell Grant for your choice of trade school, community college or four year university.

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                      LOL Washington Post.

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                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        Yeah, good luck getting that through the House.

                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                        • MikM Mik

                          Yeah, good luck getting that through the House.

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                          @Mik said in Friday SCOTUS - Student Loan Forgiveness:

                          Yeah, good luck getting that through the House.

                          AOC was on the Sunday gabfest complaining that "something needs to be done."

                          To a co-equal branch of government. I suppose SCOTUS could be expanded to suit her tastes, but all the other BS? She's just yelling for the sake of the base.

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            Yes. Either get it through Congress or forget about it. Upset because a majority of Congressmen disagree? Suck it up, Buttercup.

                            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            • MikM Mik

                              Yes. Either get it through Congress or forget about it. Upset because a majority of Congressmen disagree? Suck it up, Buttercup.

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                              @Mik said in Friday SCOTUS - Student Loan Forgiveness:

                              Yes. Either get it through Congress or forget about it. Upset because a majority of Congressmen disagree? Suck it up, Buttercup.

                              Buttercup wasn’t the B word I heard in my head reading this.

                              The Brad

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                              • MikM Mik

                                @George-K said in Friday SCOTUS - Student Loan Forgiveness:

                                @Doctor-Phibes said in Friday SCOTUS - Student Loan Forgiveness:

                                They'd be much better off spending the money on expanding the opportunities for lower-cost, high quality higher education.

                                Yeah, I imagine half a trillion dollars might go a long way.

                                Another point...

                                The loan forgiveness is, for most, $10,000. Is that amount of debt-relief "life-changing?" Granted, it's nice, but...it's not a huge amount of money. I suppose, with interest it adds up, tho.

                                Only if you’re stupid enough to pay the minimum, just like credit cards. My daughter has $40k in grad school loans. One of the conversations we will have this week is why it is important to pay it off as fast as possible.

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                                My daughter has $40k in grad school loans. One of the conversations we will have this week is why it is important to pay it off as fast as possible.

                                Would she have qualified for $10k~$20k of forgiveness?

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                                  My daughter has $40k in grad school loans. One of the conversations we will have this week is why it is important to pay it off as fast as possible.

                                  Would she have qualified for $10k~$20k of forgiveness?

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                                  @Axtremus said in Friday SCOTUS - Student Loan Forgiveness:

                                  My daughter has $40k in grad school loans. One of the conversations we will have this week is why it is important to pay it off as fast as possible.

                                  Would she have qualified for $10k~$20k of forgiveness?

                                  Lucas would have qualified. Would have he benefited? No.

                                  The Brad

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                                  • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                    @Axtremus said in Friday SCOTUS - Student Loan Forgiveness:

                                    My daughter has $40k in grad school loans. One of the conversations we will have this week is why it is important to pay it off as fast as possible.

                                    Would she have qualified for $10k~$20k of forgiveness?

                                    Lucas would have qualified. Would have he benefited? No.

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                                    @LuFins-Dad said in Friday SCOTUS - Student Loan Forgiveness:

                                    Lucas would have qualified. Would have he benefited? No.

                                    Assuming Lucas has a loan exceeding the $10k~$20k that qualifies for forgiveness, how do you figure that the would not have benefited?

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                                      My daughter has $40k in grad school loans. One of the conversations we will have this week is why it is important to pay it off as fast as possible.

                                      Would she have qualified for $10k~$20k of forgiveness?

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                                      @Axtremus said in Friday SCOTUS - Student Loan Forgiveness:

                                      My daughter has $40k in grad school loans. One of the conversations we will have this week is why it is important to pay it off as fast as possible.

                                      Would she have qualified for $10k~$20k of forgiveness?

                                      Yes. Some principles are more important than personal advantage.

                                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                      • MikM Mik

                                        @Axtremus said in Friday SCOTUS - Student Loan Forgiveness:

                                        My daughter has $40k in grad school loans. One of the conversations we will have this week is why it is important to pay it off as fast as possible.

                                        Would she have qualified for $10k~$20k of forgiveness?

                                        Yes. Some principles are more important than personal advantage.

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                                        @Mik said in Friday SCOTUS - Student Loan Forgiveness:

                                        Yes. Some principles are more important than personal advantage.

                                        Which principles are these, in this case?

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                                          You cannot ask that question with a straight face.

                                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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