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New Law Allows International Medical Graduates to Bypass US Residency

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  • CopperC Offline
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    I assume these second string doctors won’t work on privileged people.

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    • George KG George K

      One problem is that there is, in medicine, no standard or good way to judge competence.

      As far as surgeons go, is the faster surgeon the better surgeon? Is the one who gets sued more often inferior? What about those online ratings? I've worked with great surgeons in private practice and shitty surgeons in academia.

      I agree that there needs to be a minimum standard of education and training, but beyond that, how do you judge.

      On a more micro level, for me to have moved north of the Cheddar Curtain would have involved getting a new license. Many states require a written examination before you can get a license in that state. I, most certainly, fail any such examination. Nevertheless, I used to be pretty competent.

      How do you judge?

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      @George-K said in New Law Allows International Medical Graduates to Bypass US Residency:

      One problem is that there is, in medicine, no standard or good way to judge competence.

      As far as surgeons go, is the faster surgeon the better surgeon? Is the one who gets sued more often inferior? What about those online ratings? I've worked with great surgeons in private practice and shitty surgeons in academia.

      I agree that there needs to be a minimum standard of education and training, but beyond that, how do you judge.

      On a more micro level, for me to have moved north of the Cheddar Curtain would have involved getting a new license. Many states require a written examination before you can get a license in that state. I, most certainly, fail any such examination. Nevertheless, I used to be pretty competent.

      How do you judge?

      A national standard or test with full reciprocity between states.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • George KG Offline
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        Related.

        https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/991400?ecd=wnl_tp10n_230629_mscpedit_etid5504158&uac=22422FR&impID=5504158

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          Jon
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          #11

          This is awesome news. I understand Jolly’s concern but it isn’t unique to medicine and other fields manage to do okay weeding out the unqualified through interviews or probationary periods.

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          • George KG George K

            Related.

            https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/991400?ecd=wnl_tp10n_230629_mscpedit_etid5504158&uac=22422FR&impID=5504158

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            #12

            @George-K said in New Law Allows International Medical Graduates to Bypass US Residency:

            Related.

            https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/991400?ecd=wnl_tp10n_230629_mscpedit_etid5504158&uac=22422FR&impID=5504158

            About bloody time. We get a lot of GPs coming here from South Africa. They seem to be the only ones interested in working in rural hospitals or rural practices. Quite a few in urban centres are Emergency doctors.

            Elbows up!

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            • JonJ Jon

              This is awesome news. I understand Jolly’s concern but it isn’t unique to medicine and other fields manage to do okay weeding out the unqualified through interviews or probationary periods.

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              @Jon said in New Law Allows International Medical Graduates to Bypass US Residency:

              This is awesome news. I understand Jolly’s concern but it isn’t unique to medicine and other fields manage to do okay weeding out the unqualified through interviews or probationary periods.

              Jolly has worked with a shitload of them. Syrian, Brazilian, Jamaican, Vietnamese, Indian, Indian, Indian, UK, Venezualan, Panamanian, Honduran, Turkish, Columbian and a smattering of others. Some good, some mediocre and some I wouldn't have wanted treating my Sheltie.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • JollyJ Jolly

                @Jon said in New Law Allows International Medical Graduates to Bypass US Residency:

                This is awesome news. I understand Jolly’s concern but it isn’t unique to medicine and other fields manage to do okay weeding out the unqualified through interviews or probationary periods.

                Jolly has worked with a shitload of them. Syrian, Brazilian, Jamaican, Vietnamese, Indian, Indian, Indian, UK, Venezualan, Panamanian, Honduran, Turkish, Columbian and a smattering of others. Some good, some mediocre and some I wouldn't have wanted treating my Sheltie.

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                George K
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                @Jolly said in New Law Allows International Medical Graduates to Bypass US Residency:

                Some good, some mediocre and some I wouldn't have wanted treating my Sheltie.

                Same with American-trained docs, including at the "U" - one of which I called out, years ago, LOL.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

                taiwan_girlT 1 Reply Last reply
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                  #15

                  I think we’re going to need them as the boomers get older as well. We don’t have the demographics to home grow them.

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                  • JollyJ Offline
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                    Jolly
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                    #16

                    We've got the qualified students.

                    We've got the hospitals.

                    We need med school capacity. That can be done quickly with concerted effort.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • George KG George K

                      @Jolly said in New Law Allows International Medical Graduates to Bypass US Residency:

                      Some good, some mediocre and some I wouldn't have wanted treating my Sheltie.

                      Same with American-trained docs, including at the "U" - one of which I called out, years ago, LOL.

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                      @George-K said in New Law Allows International Medical Graduates to Bypass US Residency:

                      @Jolly said in New Law Allows International Medical Graduates to Bypass US Residency:

                      Some good, some mediocre and some I wouldn't have wanted treating my Sheltie.

                      Same with American-trained docs, including at the "U" - one of which I called out, years ago, LOL.

                      Yup. Would be ideal if there were some sort of "international accreditation" for medical schools.

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                        We've worked on ISO certs for labs. It can be a nightmare.

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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