SCOTUS on Harvard and UNC
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Now there's a rumour that this Erica Marsh not a real person.
I was only joking
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Even a Harvard President of something related to admissions, a black woman, was on CBS this morning talking about how this really won't change what Harvard does at all and is not in conflict with their admission procedures, that people should just relax.
“I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill
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ULTRA MAGA!
So scary!
@LuFins-Dad said in SCOTUS on Harvard and UNC:
ULTRA MAGA!
So scary!
Is that worse or better than SUPER DUPER MAGA?
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Even a Harvard President of something related to admissions, a black woman, was on CBS this morning talking about how this really won't change what Harvard does at all and is not in conflict with their admission procedures, that people should just relax.
@Mik said in SCOTUS on Harvard and UNC:
Even a Harvard President of something related to admissions, a black woman, was on CBS this morning talking about how this really won't change what Harvard does at all and is not in conflict with their admission procedures, that people should just relax.
I am mostly curious what this will do to the statistical performance of the minorities. Right now, Harvard drags its net through the top of the economic status to find its black kids. The GPAs and other academic measures they find there, will be better than what they find at the low end.
This all inevitably ends with more grade inflation, and a further jokification of higher learning in general. More subjects in which hand waved, non serious thinking and research are the whole point. Subjects in which the only right answer, is the politically correct one.
Because we will simply never admit that there is such a thing as academic ability. It's a totally learned skill, and the kids who do better, simply try harder, or have better teachers, or better equipment, or better parents.
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@Mik said in SCOTUS on Harvard and UNC:
Even a Harvard President of something related to admissions, a black woman, was on CBS this morning talking about how this really won't change what Harvard does at all and is not in conflict with their admission procedures, that people should just relax.
I am mostly curious what this will do to the statistical performance of the minorities. Right now, Harvard drags its net through the top of the economic status to find its black kids. The GPAs and other academic measures they find there, will be better than what they find at the low end.
This all inevitably ends with more grade inflation, and a further jokification of higher learning in general. More subjects in which hand waved, non serious thinking and research are the whole point. Subjects in which the only right answer, is the politically correct one.
Because we will simply never admit that there is such a thing as academic ability. It's a totally learned skill, and the kids who do better, simply try harder, or have better teachers, or better equipment, or better parents.
@Horace said in SCOTUS on Harvard and UNC:
Because we will simply never admit that there is such a thing as academic ability. It's a totally learned skill, and the kids who do better, simply try harder, or have better teachers, or better equipment, or better parents.
As with many of the better things in life, that requires discipline, an uncommon commodity in the young.
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Now there's a rumour that this Erica Marsh not a real person.
Off-topic...
@Doctor-Phibes said in SCOTUS on Harvard and UNC:
Now there's a rumour that this Erica Marsh not a real person.
Ms (can I say that) has an...interesting history of jumping the gun.
Ateba was arrested and incarcerated. After four days, the president of Cameroon ordered him released. He was never tried, let alone convicted.
Do some homework, Ms. Marsh.
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Even a Harvard President of something related to admissions, a black woman, was on CBS this morning talking about how this really won't change what Harvard does at all and is not in conflict with their admission procedures, that people should just relax.
Not initially, no. But there are going to be more lawsuits, now. Suits that will point to Harvard accepting black kids from middle class or higher backgrounds getting accepted while white and Asian kids from similar or lower economic status with higher grades and test scores get turned down. In those situations, it will be extremely difficult for the schools to deny it was strictly over the color of the skin. It will get very expensive for these schools in quick order.
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I think a version of this pipeline is already in place, and I expect it to become more and more institutionalized:
- K-12 public education where if you show up and can read and write, you get an A
- Higher education where there are special degree tracks for people with no academic ability, where if they show up and can read and write, they get an A
- Real world
- ???
- Profit
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I think a version of this pipeline is already in place, and I expect it to become more and more institutionalized:
- K-12 public education where if you show up and can read and write, you get an A
- Higher education where there are special degree tracks for people with no academic ability, where if they show up and can read and write, they get an A
- Real world
- ???
- Profit
@Horace said in SCOTUS on Harvard and UNC:
I think a version of this pipeline is already in place, and I expect it to become more and more institutionalized:
- K-12 public education where if you show up and can read and write, you get an A
- Higher education where there are special degree tracks for people with no academic ability, where if they show up and can read and write, they get an A
- Real world
- ???
- Profit
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So what did the Asian kids that brought the case get? Are they awarded damages from the offending universities?
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It looks there are many comments (not necessarily on this board) suggesting that the colleges/universities want to continue to practice race-based affirmative actions, to somehow give certain racial minorities preferential treatment when it comes to admission.
Why is that? Why would colleges/universities be motivated to do so now that there is no legal justification for it?
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It looks there are many comments (not necessarily on this board) suggesting that the colleges/universities want to continue to practice race-based affirmative actions, to somehow give certain racial minorities preferential treatment when it comes to admission.
Why is that? Why would colleges/universities be motivated to do so now that there is no legal justification for it?
@Axtremus said in SCOTUS on Harvard and UNC:
It looks there are many comments (not necessarily on this board) suggesting that the colleges/universities want to continue to practice race-based affirmative actions, to somehow give certain racial minorities preferential treatment when it comes to admission.
Why is that? Why would colleges/universities be motivated to do so now that there is no legal justification for it?
The way they do it now, race but not wealth, allows them to pick the high end of the academic ability of any given race. They'll admit the smart, upper middle class black child of two doctors, and score one for 'equity'. Going by wealth, they won't be able to fill their racial categories with those sorts of people. The results for certain minority categories even now are bad, when they have access to those children of doctors. The statistics will get worse, if they move to a wealth system.
The colleges are going to face further struggles to dumb down their curricula to hand out degrees to the masses.
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They (or enough of them) believe it’s the right moral thing to do and representational racial class composition is in vogue with many of their customers.
@xenon said in SCOTUS on Harvard and UNC:
They (or enough of them) believe it’s the right moral thing to do and representational racial class composition is in vogue with many of their customers.
Nobody expects the racial admission numbers to change in favor of whites or asians because of this. What will change, is the quality of black and latino admits. I suspect that's what the universities understand, and are afraid of.
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Donors.
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It looks there are many comments (not necessarily on this board) suggesting that the colleges/universities want to continue to practice race-based affirmative actions, to somehow give certain racial minorities preferential treatment when it comes to admission.
Why is that? Why would colleges/universities be motivated to do so now that there is no legal justification for it?
@Axtremus said in SCOTUS on Harvard and UNC:
Why is that? Why would colleges/universities be motivated to do so now that there is no legal justification for it?
Being exposed to different people, different cultures, different backgrounds, different experiences, different ideas is a good thing.
As I say previously, the idea of having diversity in colleges is good, but just admitting people into the school is not the right way of doing it. Does not solve the root problem.
