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Texas: no water break for you

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  • AxtremusA Offline
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    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/23/greg-abbott-texas-governor-bill-water-breaks-heatwave

    Texas governor signs bill rescinding water breaks as deadly heat grips state

    Measure will nullify local ordinances that provide workers protection from devastating, triple-digit temperatures

    What local workers protection ordinances are being eliminated? The article cites one that says construction workers working under high heat are to get a 10 minute water break for every four hours worked.

    Making labor rules consistent across the entire state can be a worthy goal, this one just goes about it in a seemingly cruel, one-sided manner -- it prohibits local governments from instituting worker protection measures without providing a corresponding state level worker protection measure.

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      10 minutes every 4 hours is pissing in the ocean. It's a self-regulating problem. Push the guys too hard and they'll quit or they'll find time for mini-breaks on their own. Last ditch is where the worker gets a heat stroke and the company gets sued, or at the very least is stuck with a decent medical bill.

      As a young lad, I rode a jackhammer in 100+ heat. Ah, to be young and dumb...

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • MikM Offline
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        Yeah, they're going to get water when they need it. There's no way you can change that, and I know of no employers who would not try to make sure they stayed hydrated. I guess I'll have to read the article.

        "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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        • MikM Offline
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          OK, I read it. It makes no sense, so I have to assume something else is going on that is not in the article.

          "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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          • MikM Mik

            OK, I read it. It makes no sense, so I have to assume something else is going on that is not in the article.

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            @Mik said in Texas: no water break for you:

            OK, I read it. It makes no sense, so I have to assume something else is going on that is not in the article.

            It looked to me like Texas trying to centralize working regulations so that they're consistent State-wide, and stopping "progressive" towns making up fancy rules of their own. Maybe there's a ton of these little rules and it gets confusing?

            I was only joking

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            • LuFins DadL Offline
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              It primarily has to do with the AFL-CIO. The labor union is pulling an inordinate amount of weight against local communities. This law alleviates the negotiation burden on small communities that aren’t in a position to resist the union and makes the union have to negotiate with the state, a much tougher proposition.

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                OK, now I understand.

                "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                  You also have Austin basically giving stuff away to the labor unions, which presents difficulties for sane districts in competing for labor.

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                  • HoraceH Offline
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                    Sounds sensible. Thanks for explaining, LD.

                    Education is extremely important.

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